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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by pdpi » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:31 PM UTC

ethbr1 wrote: post #322

Me1000 wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They prompt you before they send your data to OpenAI, but it's clear that they prompt you before they send it to Apple's servers (maybe they do and I missed it?). And their promise that their servers are secure because it's all written in Swift is laughable. Edit: This line from the keynote is also suspect: "And just like your iPhone , independent experts can inspect the code that runs on the servers to verify this p…

They're promising to go farther than that. >> Independent experts can inspect the code that runs on Apple silicon servers to verify privacy, and Private Cloud Compute cryptographically ensures that iPhone, iPad, and Mac do not talk to a server unless its software has been publicly logged for inspection. Apple Intelligence with Private Cloud Compute sets a new standard for privacy in AI, unlocking intelligence users c…

That promise made my ears perk up. If it actually stands up to scrutiny, it's pretty damn cool.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by iLoveOncall » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:32 PM UTC

TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

> The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like setting calendar and reservations

I can't think of something less exciting than a feature that Gmail has supported for a decade.

Overall there's not a single feature in the article that I find exciting (I don't use Siri at all, so maybe it's just me), but I actually see that as a good thing. The least they add GenAI the better.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by Jtsummers » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:32 PM UTC

tsunamifury wrote: post #290

This isn't about giving Apple intelligence, this is about giving ChatGPT an understanding of the world via the eyes, ears, and thoughts on your phone.

> This isn't about giving Apple intelligence, this is about giving ChatGPT an understanding of the world via the eyes, ears, and thoughts on your phone.

Except it doesn't do that. The ChatGPT integration is via Siri and opt-in (you ask Siri something, it prompts you to send that prompt to ChatGPT). The rest of the LLM and ML features are on device or in Apple's cloud (which is not OpenAI's cloud). The ChatGPT integration is also, by their announced design, substitutable in the future (or you'll be given a set of systems to select from, not just ChatGPT). They are not sending all data on your device to OpenAI.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by ethbr1 » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:32 PM UTC

TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem.

It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft.

I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't.

Nobody wants a GenAI feature that works in Gmail, a different one that works in Messages, etc. -- they want a platform capability that works anywhere they use text.

I'm not sure either Google or Microsoft are organizationally-capable of delivering that, at this point.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by wilg » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:32 PM UTC

burningChrome wrote: post #303

Am I only person who's reached their threshold on companies forcing and shoving AI into every layer and corner of our lives? I don't even look at this stuff any more and see the upside to any of it. AI went from, "This is kinda cool and quaint." to "You NEED this in every single aspect of your life, whether you want it or not." AI has become so pervasive and intrusive, I stopped seeing the benefits of any of this.

The new generative AI stuff has been barely implemented in most products, I don't know how you are experiencing it as pervasive and intrusive. Are you sure you're not just cynical from all flood of negative news stories about AI?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by sseagull » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:33 PM UTC

minimaxir wrote: post #275

machinekob wrote: post #199

Microsoft Recall => bad. Apple Recall => good.

The massive difference here is that Apple Recall is 100% on device. (for the use cases they demoed anyways) EDIT: Yes, I'm wrong.

Microsoft Recall is completely on-device (or so they say).

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by grishka » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:33 PM UTC

wilg wrote: post #307

whalee wrote: post #278

I am deeply disturbed they decided to go off-device for these services to work. This is a terrible precedent, seemingly inconsistent with their previous philosophies and likely a pressured decision. I don't care if they put the word "private" in there or have an endless amount of "expert" audits. What a shame.

You are deeply disturbed by the idea that some services can be better implemented server-side? Who do you think pressured them, the illuminati?

Here's a shocking suggestion: maybe wait some time before these services could be implemented on-device, and implement them on-device, instead of shipping this half-baked something? Apple seems to be the perfect company to make it happen, they produce both the hardware and the software, tightly integrated with each other. No one else is this good at it.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:33 PM UTC

mfiguiere wrote: post #84

> Privacy protections are built in for users who access ChatGPT — their IP addresses are obscured, and OpenAI won’t store requests. ChatGPT’s data-use policies apply for users who choose to connect their account. > ChatGPT will come to iOS 18, iPadOS 18, and macOS Sequoia later this year, powered by GPT-4o.

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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by tr3ntg » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:33 PM UTC

whalee wrote: post #278

I am deeply disturbed they decided to go off-device for these services to work. This is a terrible precedent, seemingly inconsistent with their previous philosophies and likely a pressured decision. I don't care if they put the word "private" in there or have an endless amount of "expert" audits. What a shame.

They didn't have a choice. Doing everything on-device would result in a horrible user experience. They might as well not participate in this generative AI rush at all if they hoped to keep it on-device. Which would have looked even worse for them.

Their brand is equally about creativity as it is about privacy. They wouldn't chop off one arm to keep the other, but that's what you're suggesting they should have done.

And yes, I know generative AI could be seen specifically as anti-creativity, but I personally don't think it is. It can help one be creative.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by wilg » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:34 PM UTC

asimpletune wrote: post #162

Their demos looked like how I imagined AI before ChatGPT ever existed. It was a personalized, context aware, deeply integrated way of interacting with your whole system. I really enjoyed the explanation for how they planned on tackling server-enabled AI tasks while making the best possible effort to keep your requests private. Auditable server software that runs on Apple hardware is probably as good as you can get fo…

I think too many people assumed that because ChatGPT is a conversation interface that that's how AI should be designed, which is like assuming computers would always be command lines instead of GUIs. Apple has done a good job of providing purpose-built GUIs for AI stuff here, and I think it will be interesting to watch that stuff get deeper.