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Why Triplebyte Failed

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Re: Why Triplebyte Failed

#81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current system is already gamed and virtually standardized. The only difference that official standardization would present is that applicants would no longer have to go through the Leetcode gauntlet each time they want to switch jobs , which would save a breathtaking amount of time and effort currently occupied by wasteful redundancy in the interview process. Corporations can use that standard exam/license as a…

> The current system is already gamed and virtually standardized. This is only remotely true if you're looking at a very narrow slice of software development jobs. Those companies and jobs are overrepresented here, but remember that even in the US the majority of developers do not work at recognizable "tech companies." Much less the rest of the world. I've been a professional software developer for over a decade, cha…

You're not wrong, but Triplebyte exists to service that very narrow (but very well-funded, very lucrative, and very influential) segment, and so does this site, the fund behind this site, and most of the commenters in this thread.

Re: Why Triplebyte Failed

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post #53

Recruiting is brokered enterprise sales. Realty for human resources. And, like realty, recruiting is 80% shit, 15% good people, 5% crooks. And, like realty, ripe for disruption in niche markets (like IT). As a buyer, Triplebyte should have gotten me: 1. Access to a larger pool of applications through their network. 2. Better matching between needs/skills through expertise. 3. Higher trust in applicants without initia…

Well, that's essentially what I'm trying to do with Otherbranch (specifically, 2 and 3 of your "buyer" points and 2 and some of 1 and 3 of your "seller" points).

Re: Why Triplebyte Failed

#83
post #31

It sounds like the core problem is that companies don't really have trouble screening large amounts of incoming low quality resumes. It's annoying and time-consuming for the software engineers, but it's a well-known process and the CEO/CTO/COO/VP who controls the budget can just make the engineering team do it. The core problem that companies are willing to pay for is "top of funnel". The obviously skilled, experienc…

The article says people loved screen, and as a user myself I concur and used it for exactly what was mentioned - screening junior candidates efficiently. Theoretically if the company wasn’t venture funded they could maybe have waited for those junior candidates to turn into senior ones that people want. I wish someone would bring back that tool.

Re: Why Triplebyte Failed

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It absolutely is, and it's something I am very much aware of. I considered including something about that incident (for those of you coming in with less context, they're referring to [1] this) in this article, but I didn't for two reasons. One, I sincerely do not think that was actually fatal (it was, at worst, a symptom of the same forces that forced a pivot). And two, the best thing I could say about it in terms of…

The fact that you chose not to address this incident is exactly everything we need to know about why Triplebyte failed.

What does it tell us exactly?

Re: Why Triplebyte Failed

#85

So I founded a couple hiring-related businesses a year or so before TripleByte. I eventually decided to get out of the space for reasons that are touched on in this article, but I would sum that up even more bluntly: Hiring is a market for lemons . The really good employees are almost never on the market [1]. They'll get one job, stay for years, and then if conditions change so that that job no longer fits their need…

> The folks that do tend to populate the open job market often have one or more dysfunctions that make it hard for them to slot into the corporate job market, the most common of which are not wanting to slot into the corporate job market and not being able to define yourself enough to identify where you should slot into it.

I think this is a pretty good reason to have an org that "speaks corporate job market", but that doesn't evaluate candidates the same way the corporate job market does. A person who is skilled but doesn't want to/doesn't know how to/has moral objections to selling themselves the way employers often want benefits a lot from having an agent who can vouch for them.

As for the market-for-lemons thing, yeah, absolutely! It's a good framing. And in that analogy, I'm betting on the idea that a team of mechanics that can identify the good cars is valuable.

Re: Why Triplebyte Failed

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I can't help but want to draw the parallel between triplebyte and dating app: both are marketplace for 2 parties, or say networks; both networks are inherently two-tier, one premium tier and one, let's say subpar tier.

For the premium tier, the problem is less so the efficiency of the matching process because participants have powerful signals, I would say the problem is the efficiency of negotiating a fair term because both parties are not incentivized to go to a public auction, hence no market price. Hence the hiring process may be less so investigating potential candidates and more so "let' just wait two weeks and see who's the highest bidder".

For the subpar tier, the problem is less so the efficiency of the matching process (this still is part of the problem), but more so a cost-effect analysis: is it worth throwing X amount of resources to filter a huge pool of unknown quality candidates?

Obviously, one more problem is that there's no easy way to use whatever incentive to quickly bump up the supply.

So intrinsically, triplebyte/dating app tried to use tech to alleviate the pain point, but it is a part of the bigger, convoluted mating dance, and improving a non-critical part of the whole pipeline doesn't yield a so-called step function gain overall. That, plus venture backing, forces triplebyte to go down the rabbit hole and try to acquire as much of the lower subpar tier network as possible, yet this dilutes their attention and human touch on the premium tier, and goes down a death spiral.

Sorry I do not intend to bash the author or the founders for picking this problem/user need to solve, it just occurs to me that this heterogeneous network with no easy way to increase supply/lower demand, is really hard for a marketplace company and sometimes simply throwing technology onto the white-hot competing segment may not be the groundbreaking solution. I wish the author all the best with their next endeavor

Re: Why Triplebyte Failed

#87

So I founded a couple hiring-related businesses a year or so before TripleByte. I eventually decided to get out of the space for reasons that are touched on in this article, but I would sum that up even more bluntly: Hiring is a market for lemons . The really good employees are almost never on the market [1]. They'll get one job, stay for years, and then if conditions change so that that job no longer fits their need…

I think the set of people employed at corporations provides overwhelming evidence against this.

Re: Why Triplebyte Failed

#88

I can't help but want to draw the parallel between triplebyte and dating app: both are marketplace for 2 parties, or say networks; both networks are inherently two-tier, one premium tier and one, let's say subpar tier. For the premium tier, the problem is less so the efficiency of the matching process because participants have powerful signals, I would say the problem is the efficiency of negotiating a fair term beca…

We talked about the dating-app analogy a LOT, and I think it goes quite deep. It applies to almost all competitive markets, especially matchmaking ones.

> I would say the problem is the efficiency of negotiating a fair term because both parties are not incentivized to go to a public auction, hence no market price.

Are you referring specifically to salary negotiation here? I think this is one of the things that makes a trusted intermediary useful.

During signup, or during an initial recruiter call with candidates, I ask about salary with the following script:

> Okay, what are your salary expectations? To be clear, I will NOT share this with clients unless you tell me that I can. This is just so we know what jobs you might be interested in - the only thing we'll communicate is whether you match a client's salary range or not and vice-versa.

While I doubt the incentives here align to perfect honesty, it's certainly a lot better than the background, in that each side gets information on the other only after revealing semi-honest preferences used to match them.

> For the subpar tier, the problem is less so the efficiency of the matching process (this still is part of the problem), but more so a cost-effect analysis: is it worth throwing X amount of resources to filter a huge pool of unknown quality candidates?

Yeah, this is where the pitch about centralization - the main pitch I want to make with Otherbranch, since I think the full background-blind pitch was overselling things - comes in. There's some threshold where the cost-benefit analysis is neutral for companies, in the sense that there is 0 expected value to the next marginal candidate. But if we're effectively interviewing for more than one company, that threshold is lower for us, because the cost is similar and the benefit is higher.

I don't expect we're going to be able to get a mediocre developer with a mediocre resume an amazing job. I'm not really trying to do that. I'm trying to get an amazing developer with a mediocre resume an amazing job, or a good eveloper with a mediocre resume a good job - one better than they could have gotten on their own.

Re: Why Triplebyte Failed

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It absolutely is, and it's something I am very much aware of. I considered including something about that incident (for those of you coming in with less context, they're referring to [1] this) in this article, but I didn't for two reasons. One, I sincerely do not think that was actually fatal (it was, at worst, a symptom of the same forces that forced a pivot). And two, the best thing I could say about it in terms of…

The fact that you chose not to address this incident is exactly everything we need to know about why Triplebyte failed.

That doesn't make any sense.

How could addressing that single incident help explain Triplebyte's failure to find product-market fit?

Privacy violations sure haven't stopped any other successful corporation I can think of from finding product-market fit.

Re: Why Triplebyte Failed

#90

So I founded a couple hiring-related businesses a year or so before TripleByte. I eventually decided to get out of the space for reasons that are touched on in this article, but I would sum that up even more bluntly: Hiring is a market for lemons . The really good employees are almost never on the market [1]. They'll get one job, stay for years, and then if conditions change so that that job no longer fits their need…

> The folks that do tend to populate the open job market often have one or more dysfunctions that make it hard for them to slot into the corporate job market, the most common of which are not wanting to slot into the corporate job market and not being able to define yourself enough to identify where you should slot into it. I think this is a pretty good reason to have an org that "speaks corporate job market", but th…

IIRC TripleByte was supposed to be that org - I thought I remember some of their framing being that they'd be like a Hollywood talent agency for developers.

The big problem with the model is again misunderstanding your competition and how the industry actually works. The market for skilled developers already functions largely like this. The "talent agents" are engineering managers, both on the sell-side (through references, and bringing over good engineers they've worked with when they join a new company) and on the buy-side (through identifying and recruiting good talent that may not be trying hard to sell themselves). This is a core EM skill - many teams will live or die by how well their managers can identify actually-talented devs, even ones who may not be slick or polished, and bring them onto the team. It's also the EM's responsibility to understand the recruitment process at their company well enough to shepherd candidates who won't look impressive to recruiters through it.

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