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Very interesting. I can remember being able to hear a high pitched tone when I was 4-6 shopping with my mother in department stores that seemed to get louder when we approached flush mounted speakers in the ceiling. This article measures the frequencies and explains it's a normally operating feature of the systems.

Going into Sears used to drive me nuts. My parents finally accepted that I was actually hearing something that they couldn’t, but it took a while. I don’t know if it was the loss prevention system that was doing it, or what. All I could do was localize it down to being anywhere remotely close to the entrances. And the closer you got, the louder it got. These days, my tinnitus is constantly ringing at about that same…

Exactly this. When I was 17 I worked at a JC Penny store as a stock boy. Every time I approached certain entrances (like the main one that opened into the shopping mall) and other areas of the store my ears were assaulted with a high pitch squeal. Never figured out what it was, nobody else seemed to hear it. I've always had tinnitus, and the frequency always seemed to be the same. In fact, I'm listening to it now.

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Or the idea that the humans are just blissfully unaware while their 'hyper' cat/dog is stuck inside a home with some device screaming 24/7, LED lights flashing, etc.

To this day, not one person in the spec reviews in whatever overseas OEM electronics or those split AC units (which are fantastic in one regard) reflects on persistent light in a room where people are sleeping? The worst is encountering AC units when arriving at a hotel that do not have a "display" button to turn off the 20C display in white LED. Are the actual people that make these and make those decisions just tou…

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Going into Sears used to drive me nuts. My parents finally accepted that I was actually hearing something that they couldn’t, but it took a while. I don’t know if it was the loss prevention system that was doing it, or what. All I could do was localize it down to being anywhere remotely close to the entrances. And the closer you got, the louder it got. These days, my tinnitus is constantly ringing at about that same…

Exactly this. When I was 17 I worked at a JC Penny store as a stock boy. Every time I approached certain entrances (like the main one that opened into the shopping mall) and other areas of the store my ears were assaulted with a high pitch squeal. Never figured out what it was, nobody else seemed to hear it. I've always had tinnitus, and the frequency always seemed to be the same. In fact, I'm listening to it now.

What year was this? I never encountered such a noise in my stock boy days, but I bet they were a lot earlier than yours (early to mid 1970s).

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One thing that can help is pressing the turn signal lever with less force than is needed to latch it. This should cause the indicator to flash three times and then stop. It’s an operating mode I wasn’t aware of for decades.

Not all cars do this, german car feature? (only VW's I've driven from 2000's onward seemed to have)

Works on my 2009 Honda and 2017 Chrysler.

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Now if the same could be done for bad LED lighting. I hate being somewhere where the whole room is strobing at 100 hz.

Yeup. Interesting how the older LED bulbs are particularly bad for this (and in the UK, at 50Hz). More modern high quality ones seem significantly better.

GP's comment said 100Hz because that's what you get from full-wave rectification of 50Hz mains, so they were talking about that. It'd be 120Hz in countries that use 60Hz mains (e.g. in North America).

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One thing that can help is pressing the turn signal lever with less force than is needed to latch it. This should cause the indicator to flash three times and then stop. It’s an operating mode I wasn’t aware of for decades.

Not all cars do this, german car feature? (only VW's I've driven from 2000's onward seemed to have)

My 2012 Vauxhall Astra does this.

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I think the dogs can hear our induction stove with ultrasonic whine, but somehow my cat will sleep blissfully in a room with a VGA CRT whining from 30-80 kHz (perhaps quieter than the stove), and used to sit in front of a CRT TV whining at 15.7 kHz so loudly I couldn't stand it without headphones.

When I was a kid I noticed that the adults in my life couldn't hear that CRT sound. My son bought a CRT TV with a built in VCR to use with a Nintendo 64 to get out the last frame of latency. I noticed the other day that I can still hear that sound, but I've always had sensitive hearing and I've always kept amplified sound at a low level and worn ear protection while using machinery, going to motorsports events, etc.…

I remember in school, we'd often hear the TV whine and know we were watching a tape in class that day without needing to look up at the TV (mounted high in the corner by the ceiling.) The teachers used to wonder how we knew and didn't believe us when we said we could hear powered on TVs.

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My ex got a device to discourage ants. Then forgot where she placed them. Then found out that it was in my daughter's hearing range. Finding the last one was a nightmare. Here is the device. https://www.amazon.com/Ultrasonic-Repeller-Electronic-Repell... It was

Did it work in its stated goal?

Yes.

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I'm 30 with mild tinnitus and listen to music too loud but I can still hear CRT whine too, go figure.

Wait, people regularly just don’t hear it?

Most of us don't.

The signal is at a frequency of one cycle per line-second, but there's an idle period while the beam goes back up to the top where it still cycles so the actual frequency will be a bit higher than a simple lines/frame * frames/sec calculation would indicate. Even for broadcast TV that was beyond what a lot of adults can hear (but a lot of kids can, as plenty of posters in this thread have said.) I want to say 15.7khz but I certainly won't swear to that. As your resolution goes up the frequency will go up so some people would be able to hear what resolution a monitor is set to.

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Totally speculative territory, but I’ve had headaches when going to a shopping center since I was a kid. It’s infallible, one to two hours and my head is exploding. I’ve always attributed it to the noise, crowds and sensory overload but it never happens elsewhere. Could it be?

Perfume, perhaps? There are things I'm sensitive to even though I can't actually smell them.
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