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Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Qualcomm has some work to do to build trust. Step one make the docs as easy to get as say the Intel x86 references without a bunch of horseshit lawyer shite.

Step 2, actually document the part well enough for third party implementers.

Step 3 don’t threaten to sue everyone and anything that glances at it.

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Yeah, you are right. Android is a variant of Linux. Just like MacOS and iPadOS, both run Darwin kernel, but they are very different. Even though iPads have very capable hardware, there are a lot you cannot do on iPadOS. The same applies to Linux. People want a real desktop operating system.

Found the fervent GNU worshipper. Jokes aside, yes: Android is a Linux. Just like how Xbox is Windows NT, and MacOS (and iOS?) is(/are?) BSD. Delineating along kernels is one useful and objective way of describing OS families.

Unfortunately, when people call their os Linux, they typically are referring to its kernel. I wish there was a better term to distinguish Linux distros from the kernel.

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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I hope stuff like this makes AMD more likely to invest in RISC-V. An AMD high-performance RISC-V cpu that is affordable would be awesome.

AMD can offer distinguishing features, such as x86-64 acceleration.

That'd ensure they're the ones picked, for a few years as the world transitions away from the legacy, unclean, proprietary ISAs.

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Qualcomm has previously announced their desire to support Linux, and they have an upstream roadmap: https://www.qualcomm.com/developer/blog/2024/05/upstreaming-...

HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40350408 https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/qualcomm-goes-wh... > Qualcomm has most of the critical functions working inside.. Linux 6.9.. critical functions include UEFI-based boot support along with all the standard bootloaders like Grub and system-d.. Functions that are being worked on for future iterations of Linux include additions to battery support,…

It says explicitly "for Windows". Is it locked to MS signed operating systems (which do not include Linux for ARM)?

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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In Windows RT (Win8 for Arm) times, the "Designed for Windows" label specification had a requirement for locked down UEFI firmware, that only booted Microsoft signed kernels. That made Surface RTs Windows-only. I wonder if this is still required, or can you boot Linux on these machines. I'm sure there's a hardware exploit possibility to make this a reality, but it's not going to be a mainstream thing to do.

This has nothing to do with Windows RT. Every Windows on ARM64 desktop/laptop device has an unlockable bootloader.

At the time, it was part of the Windows Hardware Certification requirements.

SFLC has details here: https://softwarefreedom.org/blog/2012/jan/12/microsoft-confi...

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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to be fair, Qualcomm runs on Linux (Android) all the time

Yes, but usually they run on very old kernels, with many of the drivers patched out of tree instead of being upstreamed. Because of that many system components(firmware, bootloader, etc) are either old, unmaintained, buggy, or affected by lots of CVEs. This new SOC, has Qualcomm's commitment to be using the latest kernel - 6.9 and to have better support. We'll see what this means for the future, but it looks better a…

yeah we'll see... the historical evidence is entirely contrary to this

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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The ex-Apple team who started Nuvia (which was acquired by Qualcomm and maker of this chip), is really giving Apple a run for their money - especially given that these chips are fab’ed on 2 gen order nodes than what Apple gets from TSMC.

If there were an almost FOSS personal electronics company that made quality, durable, and repairable devices with clean UX, usability, and long term OS-app compatibility, these would have a wider audience than simply infinitely-upgradeable laptops or laptops that are designed to be vintaged every 7 years. Call me a socialist, but designed to break just after the warranty and planned obsolescence are scourges resultin…

>Call me a socialist, but designed to break just after the warranty and planned obsolescence are scourges resulting in higher profits, but suck for the customer, lose goodwill, and are fundamentally uncool for what they do to the planet.

Do most computers "break" just after the warranty or people just desire something newer or faster because of the shifting landscape of software and the web?

>It is more ethical and respectable to craft excellent things that are "too durable" that people will treasure for many years because it's better than creating overpriced, pretty, fragile, incompatible e-waste.

How do you care to make this paradigm compatible with the ever changing nature of software? Software which is made by others who dont share the same values as you do? Because without that, these "excellently crafted" items will just take up space and provide little to no value.

I restore "vintage computers" for fun and I am finding it to be a waste of time because the value proposition for most old computers tends towards 0 for most people. The purpose of a computer is to run software period. Without software, the computer is an ornament made of various metals.

The only hold outs are computers that have a specific characteristic to them that provides value. Things such as the ability to run software new computers struggle with(pre Win XP machines with ISA sound cards, SUN SPARC machines), a visual component(SGI Computers), or just a specific historic nature(NEXT Cube, a lot of the 90s, early 00s Apple computers).

The majority of computers from the last 10-15 years don't add any of that value, and thus will eventually only have scrap value.

This is different from old well crafted furniture. Those items in a way can still run modern "software". (Humans born in 2024 can sit in them and enjoy them the same way humans born in 1960). This thinking applies to many other well crafted items. Their value proposition is different.

In a way the tech industry has really pulled the wool over peoples eyes. Convincing people that this tech is "essential" to modern day life because of "efficiency" or the faster moving nature of the world or whatever else has locked in this disposable reality. The only move if you wish to follow your ideology is to not play and accept the consequences.

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Well I'm not sure they are giving Apple a run for their money. They haven't delivered anything in quantity yet, the benchmarks and reliability are unknown and the big problem as always is software and they're in bed with Microsoft who are running a shit show on windows 11. I'd like this to work out. Objectively I'd prefer to use Windows than MacOS (there I said it!) but the hassle is not worth it any more to take on…

I am curious why you prefer Windows over MacOS? The only reason I see is Gaming, but thanks to Proton, now gaming is even better on Linux than windows.

> now gaming is even better on Linux than windows.

That's an exaggeration. There are definitely games where you might consider working better in Proton but for the most part Windows is still the far more seamless option. On Proton, ive still hit things like, really bad frametimes, game patches that break things for a bit, can't get VRR to work ever, and the lack of anti cheat support in multiplayer games.

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