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Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by cjk2 »

3abiton wrote: post #40
cjk2 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I'm not sure they are giving Apple a run for their money. They haven't delivered anything in quantity yet, the benchmarks and reliability are unknown and the big problem as always is software and they're in bed with Microsoft who are running a shit show on windows 11. I'd like this to work out. Objectively I'd prefer to use Windows than MacOS (there I said it!) but the hassle is not worth it any more to take on…

I am curious why you prefer Windows over MacOS? The only reason I see is Gaming, but thanks to Proton, now gaming is even better on Linux than windows.

I spent 1990->2010 using windows. Certain things get stuck in your mind.

What I'd like is the windows user experience but not broken as fuck and with the breadth of default high quality applications you get on macOS and the hardware flexibility of a PC.

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by Rinzler89 »

3abiton wrote: post #40
cjk2 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I'm not sure they are giving Apple a run for their money. They haven't delivered anything in quantity yet, the benchmarks and reliability are unknown and the big problem as always is software and they're in bed with Microsoft who are running a shit show on windows 11. I'd like this to work out. Objectively I'd prefer to use Windows than MacOS (there I said it!) but the hassle is not worth it any more to take on…

I am curious why you prefer Windows over MacOS? The only reason I see is Gaming, but thanks to Proton, now gaming is even better on Linux than windows.

>I am curious why you prefer Windows over MacOS?

Not the person you asked, but for me short version: it just works and covers 100% of my uses cases and never caused me any issues, so why should I needlessly complicate my life by using something else?

Long version: most EE tinkering and embedded tooling is almost Windows exclusive especially retro ones, plus the much better window management out of the box, plus support for all games and modding tools ever released without having to think of emulation or compatibility, plus 20 years of muscle memory and know-how on how maintain the system, plus high quality tools like Notepad++ , ClickDDC & such, plus it runs on every HW from 50$ second hand laptops to latest Intel & Ryzen machines meaning I can pick the exact laptop with the HW features that fit me, and not forced to buy exclusively Apple's expensive and restrictive HW like a screen that only opens ~130 degrees.

When I'm moving away from it it will be to Linux, not another commercial sollution that comes with extra expense, downsides and limitations.

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by Maakuth »

my123 wrote: post #39
Maakuth wrote: post #37

In Windows RT (Win8 for Arm) times, the "Designed for Windows" label specification had a requirement for locked down UEFI firmware, that only booted Microsoft signed kernels. That made Surface RTs Windows-only. I wonder if this is still required, or can you boot Linux on these machines. I'm sure there's a hardware exploit possibility to make this a reality, but it's not going to be a mainstream thing to do.

This has nothing to do with Windows RT. Every Windows on ARM64 desktop/laptop device has an unlockable bootloader.

Windows on ARM is a direct descendant of Windows RT, so I wouldn't say it has nothing to do with the latter. But it's a good to hear that the bootloader lock is no longer mandated.

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by fc_ »

bobmcnamara wrote: post #14
wmf wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, the CPU is ARM but you need drivers for everything else. Fortunately Qualcomm is providing those drivers.

Not quite, Oryon is a custom design implementing AArch64 Instruction Set Architecture by Nuvia, a Qualcomm acquisition.

Yes, it's a custom design originally made by Nuvia, but it's still based on ARM64 (=AArch64).

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by kkoste »

ashirviskas wrote: post #34
brainless wrote: post #30

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Lol is this a trend or meme now? I am seeing similar comments pop up. I do not think settled-in users of Arch post these anywhere but maybe I am wrong.

It's been a meme for a few years already: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/btw-i-use-arch And obviously, I use arch btw.

Honestly. Arch is my favorite distro. I've been using arch for years even before it went mainstream.

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by goosedragons »

3abiton wrote: post #40
cjk2 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I'm not sure they are giving Apple a run for their money. They haven't delivered anything in quantity yet, the benchmarks and reliability are unknown and the big problem as always is software and they're in bed with Microsoft who are running a shit show on windows 11. I'd like this to work out. Objectively I'd prefer to use Windows than MacOS (there I said it!) but the hassle is not worth it any more to take on…

I am curious why you prefer Windows over MacOS? The only reason I see is Gaming, but thanks to Proton, now gaming is even better on Linux than windows.

Decent window management out of the box? Better customizability? Less weird edge case paper cuts (e.g, adjusting HDMI audio, MST, external monitor support)?

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by petra »

brainless wrote: post #31

It would be fantastic to have a well performing laptop with Linux that lasts a full day of work and then some. My recent laptops have had so much battery degradation in just a year. I hope the battery management is fantastic. 1.4 Kgs is pretty good weight. It can be higher for a larger screen. On the other hand, I really want to see cheap laptops that can be useful for small businesses. Linux powered POS and other bu…

Even if most work is web based anyway, windows and linux laptops are quite similar in price, and there's always some usefull windows app, and people know how to use and maintain windows.

So why would a small business buy linux?

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by numpad0 »

wyldfire wrote: post #17
bobmcnamara wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite, Oryon is a custom design implementing AArch64 Instruction Set Architecture by Nuvia, a Qualcomm acquisition.

This distinction is important for the sake of performance but not (or only barely) about compatibility. This thread focuses on functionality and the linux support referred to in the title is devices and not the CPU, which -- as you've indicated -- should Just Work because it's implementing the ISA standard. For the laptop to work, it means that the audio, display, camera, storage, external buses will work. As noted i…

It matters, because computer processors generally don't interchange. It's extremely "PC Platform" specific phenomenon that every PC runs the same OS just fine sans for eyecandy peripherals. Booting from a wrong image usually crashes the CPU seconds after power-up for most other platforms. It's not rare that replacing a "HN123X456" processor with "HN123X765" chip involves minor code changes.

ARM had supposedly fixed that problem with SystemReady certification program, personally I will believe it when I see it. Are there even two different iPhone models that runs the same recovery image?

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by TobTobXX »

hi-v-rocknroll wrote: post #35
user_7832 wrote: post #32

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Right now Framework (and System76 if I got the name right) are the best options available.

Absolutely no argument for people who can/will tinker and want a more extreme approximation of a beige box DIY PC in a laptop form-factor. I'm saying for the wider non-tinker market there's an opportunity for a better way for people who want what sort-of what Apple was under SJ but more like old-school Japanese products that are absolutely better without optimizing for money extraction and are instead optimizing for…

Don't need to be a tinkerer for a Framework Laptop. You can order it prebuilt with Windows 10. It does cost a fair bit more compared to the unmaintainable Laptops though. But so do Apple products.
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