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Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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Post by lamontcg »

adastra22 wrote: post #125
lamontcg wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the orbital period was 80 minutes then that is 1/1,200,000th of a period and with Earth's circumference being ~25,000 miles that should only be about 0.02 miles. Or if the orbital velocity was 17,000 mph and neglecting the height of the orbit, 17000 / 3600 / 250 = 0.018 miles. So either way, about 100 feet.

It was taken from the moon, not low earth orbit.

Oh right, those numbers made so little sense I assumed we were talking about a different picture, and I wasn't even thinking about the name.

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Post by Shocka1 »

lambdasquirrel wrote: post #214
jandrewrogers wrote: post #118

An absolute legend going out like a total badass. I know people will disagree but there is much to be said for living your life on your own terms and accepting the potential consequences without reservation. He was clearly one of those guys. He probably did not expect to die that day, but he knew he would die some day and he wasn’t going to nerf his life to buy a few more years.

I wonder if something happened and he knew he wasn’t going to make it, and so crashed intentionally to avoid the possibility of hitting something when the fuel ran out. There are so many little islands in that area, and he could have plausibly ditched in the water, however cold it would be. Badass yes.

It looked like he did a loop at less than 1000 feet to me, and there was a fireball, even in the water, which makes me feel like there was fuel on board. Seemed like he was just pushing the limits like he's probably done his whole life.

It looks like he maybe only needed another 10 to 50 feet of elevation and would have pulled it off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3Em57Xha_Y

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Post by Shocka1 »

AmVess wrote: post #38
rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #11

Was he doing loops/flips intentionally, or did he lose control of the plane? Either way, what an absolute legend to be flying solo at his age.

Intentional loop. He entered it too fast and too low. On the descent, he was going too fast for his aircraft to have any type of control authority and he was a passenger at that point. The aircraft basically stalled out in a dive, and with no cohesive airflow over the control surfaces, the aircraft continued to stall to the point of impact.

In the video it doesn't appear to be a stall. IMO, looks like he just needed a few more feet of elevation and was in full control until the moment he hit the water. I could be wrong though.

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Post by RobRivera »

omoikane wrote: post #64
RobRivera wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dare I bite: Why?

Once you have ridden a rocket, everything else seems slow: https://xkcd.com/1701/

I think you overlook the fact that a clarification between a jet and a propeller is rather irrelevant to one's appreciation for speed.

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Post by subhro »

filleduchaos wrote: post #245
mannykannot wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Focus" is a vague term; if it was supposed to encompass the sorts of scenario I wrote about, then I have provided some some specificity for third parties. Furthermore, I feel you did not fully comprehend what I was trying to say here, which is that there are certain scenarios where, if you have partially lost this "focus", you can suddenly find yourself in a situation where an immediate response of the correct kind…

I'm not sure how focus is a vague term - I thought in this context it pretty clearly means a state of concentration/active attention. And I'd flip it and say that you don't understand what I'm trying to say, which is that while flying routinely you would have to lose focus in order to end up in a situation where you are blindsided by a signal and need to act on it immediately, while when you are driving routinely you…

> The response to the vast majority of failures, even stuff as critical as an uncontained engine failure, is not to fast-twitch take some reflexive action, it's to work through a checklist (even memory items are still a checklist) to be sure you're actually taking the right action - and there are tolerances built into both internal and external systems to give pilots time to do that.

Let's see, a pilot flying in the yellow hits turbulence followed by a wind shear, and pulls up...

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Post by CRConrad »

em-bee wrote: post #249
spoonfeeder006 wrote: post #129

This is a Baha'i Prayer I like to say for people who pass on to the next life Its hard to describe how I feel about it, its just so deep and profound... Consciousness itself, as apart from the behavior and computation that goes on in the brain, is a mystery of neuroscience. So maybe somehow it persists after we die? NDEs kinda shed light on that RIP up in the stars man https://www.bahaiprayers.io/prayer?id=204020

the afterlife has been described by religions as a place where we will not only reflect on our life but also be able to mingle with our ancestors as well as seek out any other individual who has ever lived. that can only be true if our consciousness does indeed survive. because if we are not conscious of who we are and what we learned during our life on earth then what would be the point of reflecting and meeting oth…

> the afterlife has been described by religions as a place where we will not only reflect on our life but also be able to mingle with our ancestors as well as seek out any other individual who has ever lived.

Not only by religions; also by Philip José Farmer in his Riverworld series of SF novels.

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Post by em-bee »

CRConrad wrote: post #257
em-bee wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the afterlife has been described by religions as a place where we will not only reflect on our life but also be able to mingle with our ancestors as well as seek out any other individual who has ever lived. that can only be true if our consciousness does indeed survive. because if we are not conscious of who we are and what we learned during our life on earth then what would be the point of reflecting and meeting oth…

> the afterlife has been described by religions as a place where we will not only reflect on our life but also be able to mingle with our ancestors as well as seek out any other individual who has ever lived. Not only by religions; also by Philip José Farmer in his Riverworld series of SF novels.

fascinating. adding this to my reading list. thank you!

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Post by glenstein »

nvy wrote: post #235
glenstein wrote: post #192

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So you have no personal connection and no knowledge of any particular reports. That doesn't make you wrong, but surely you can understand how reading this and not knowing what you know, this raises every possible red flag for unsubstantiated internet speculation.

>So you have no personal connection What gives you this idea? >no knowledge of any particular reports. Correct >every possible red flag Hahaha, believe whatever you want to believe. What possible motivation could I have to make this up?

>What gives you this idea?

I mean I asked about this, and at best you are playing coy games by kinda-sorta implying knowledge without owning it when specifically asked.

>Hahaha, believe whatever you want to believe. What possible motivation could I have to make this up?

I can only say I'm profoundly disappointed on how this response reflects on your information literacy.

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Post by __m »

spoonfeeder006 wrote: post #239
__m wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because we can’t explain it yet doesn’t mean there is some voodoo involved

One does beg the question of where awareness comes from. I can't see that any particular physical arrangement could explain it. I mean, maybe a fundamental particle or fundamentally different form of matter could be found to be what plays the role in producing consciousness, but then what would cause that matter to have or produce awareness? Perhaps that matter has behavior we can measure, but how would it produce co…

Before you can explain the effect of interconnecting 89 billion neurons, it‘s too soon to search for pixie dust.
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