It is time for more holistic practices in mental health
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It is time for more holistic practices in mental health
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Re: It is time for more holistic practices in mental health
#2This push almost seems for want of knowledge.
They were preaching the same about obesity for years, which achieved absolutely nothing, and then GLP-1s came along. Turns out that yes, there is indeed a hormone which can reliably be increased to cause weight loss.
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#3This push almost seems for want of knowledge. They were preaching the same about obesity for years, which achieved absolutely nothing, and then GLP-1s came along. Turns out that yes, there is indeed a hormone which can reliably be increased to cause weight loss.
Okay but we haven’t found that for mental health and it may not exist, so what’s your point?
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#4This push almost seems for want of knowledge. They were preaching the same about obesity for years, which achieved absolutely nothing, and then GLP-1s came along. Turns out that yes, there is indeed a hormone which can reliably be increased to cause weight loss.
"it's not clear how the GLP-1 drugs lead to weight loss"
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/type-2-diabet...
They don't "cause" weight loss at all -- it's mostly an side effect. (sorry to be so pedantic).
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#5This push almost seems for want of knowledge. They were preaching the same about obesity for years, which achieved absolutely nothing, and then GLP-1s came along. Turns out that yes, there is indeed a hormone which can reliably be increased to cause weight loss.
Sure would be great if they’d find one for muscle mass that wasn’t dangerous or otherwise harmful.
And of course, one for mental health.
The three put together would make a very interesting society.
Add nootropics to the mix and it gets even more interesting.
Re: It is time for more holistic practices in mental health
#6This push almost seems for want of knowledge. They were preaching the same about obesity for years, which achieved absolutely nothing, and then GLP-1s came along. Turns out that yes, there is indeed a hormone which can reliably be increased to cause weight loss.
"it's not clear how the GLP-1 drugs lead to weight loss" https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/type-2-diabet... They don't "cause" weight loss at all -- it's mostly an side effect. (sorry to be so pedantic).
They have on label use as weight loss medicine. It might be discovered first as a side effect, but it's genuinely considered a primary desirable effect these days.
Re: It is time for more holistic practices in mental health
#7I appreciate this. Suggesting that mental health is "just" a chemical imbalance is maybe addressing a very complicated system with a narrow fix.
That said, I'm likely biased to be predisposed to believe that mental health is a complex system based on other beliefs I hold or experiences I have (e.g. having suffered depression myself, having experienced homelessness, believing in the theory of alienation.)
But also, I don't know what you do to address systems that doesn't require radical or even revolutionary change. We're a far cry from even applying the mental health practices we do have to everyone who wants them today. To say nothing of the massive social stigmas associated with therapy, depression, and medications.
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
"it's not clear how the GLP-1 drugs lead to weight loss" https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/type-2-diabet... They don't "cause" weight loss at all -- it's mostly an side effect. (sorry to be so pedantic).
They have on label use as weight loss medicine. It might be discovered first as a side effect, but it's genuinely considered a primary desirable effect these days.
I think parent's point was primarily that its not "hormone causes weight loss", its "hormone causes changes to innate drive, which change behavior, which causes weight loss". If you did the same things off the drugs that you did on, you would lose similar weight.
Given that, the rational of the original comment makes less sense. A hormone that changed your behavior such that the resulting behavior changes made you happier is far more of an obfuscated ask of modern pharmacology, as there is no behavior change that will reliably fix the problem the same way there is for weight loss (eat less).
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#9This push almost seems for want of knowledge. They were preaching the same about obesity for years, which achieved absolutely nothing, and then GLP-1s came along. Turns out that yes, there is indeed a hormone which can reliably be increased to cause weight loss.
> and then GLP-1s came along. Turns out that yes, there is indeed a hormone which can reliably be increased to cause weight loss.
Isn't the effect that it reliably makes you eat less... which many other drugs do such as amphetamines, nicotine etc.
Re: It is time for more holistic practices in mental health
#10This push almost seems for want of knowledge. They were preaching the same about obesity for years, which achieved absolutely nothing, and then GLP-1s came along. Turns out that yes, there is indeed a hormone which can reliably be increased to cause weight loss.
> and then GLP-1s came along. Turns out that yes, there is indeed a hormone which can reliably be increased to cause weight loss. Isn't the effect that it reliably makes you eat less... which many other drugs do such as amphetamines, nicotine etc.
Yes. Weight loss is a common side effect of many drugs.