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Re: Google Mesop: Build web apps in Python

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Post by djtango »

shmatt wrote: post #40
ta20240226 wrote: post #17

Remember, this is from the company that thought that laying off their Python team was a good idea. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40171125 Draw your conclusions of the level of support for this library.

The US Python foundational team was less than 10 people. If you think any 10 person team in a 200,000 employee corporation is that critical well I’d have to disagree When their jobs were moved to Munich there was a lot of discussion about how important they were, but something else stood out to me. One of the things they accomplished was taking over a year to make sure the monorepo can be upgraded to the latest versi…

What? The monorepo is huge that sounds like a nightmare to coordinate across so many engineers and such a huge codebase

Re: Google Mesop: Build web apps in Python

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Post by MattGaiser »

devsda wrote: post #34
foota wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you need to draw your own conclusions: "This is not an officially supported Google product".

For small time developers and normal users, "Google support" already feels like best effort community support.

Even GCP seems “best effort.”

Re: Google Mesop: Build web apps in Python

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Post by kevindamm »

djtango wrote: post #44
shmatt wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US Python foundational team was less than 10 people. If you think any 10 person team in a 200,000 employee corporation is that critical well I’d have to disagree When their jobs were moved to Munich there was a lot of discussion about how important they were, but something else stood out to me. One of the things they accomplished was taking over a year to make sure the monorepo can be upgraded to the latest versi…

What? The monorepo is huge that sounds like a nightmare to coordinate across so many engineers and such a huge codebase

It was a nightmare. Mostly because there were a lot of special cases (think of a Python2 appengine-classic having no upgrade path on some //third_party lib that the team needed to keep running anyway), and it's not just the 10^5-10^6 # of concurrent contributors to the codebase, it's 10+ years of contributions much of which were maintenance-mode projects, many of those had been inherited two or three times over.

There was a lot of cat-herding.

Re: Google Mesop: Build web apps in Python

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Post by metadat »

MattGaiser wrote: post #45
devsda wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For small time developers and normal users, "Google support" already feels like best effort community support.

Even GCP seems “best effort.”

Is it really, though? Not in my experience. The bureaucracy has taken full control of The Host.

Re: Google Mesop: Build web apps in Python

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Post by alabhyajindal »

What's with the obsession of writing web apps in Python?

> Build custom UIs without writing Javascript/CSS/HTML

Why? These three were built for the web and work flawlessly. I doubt that an abstraction built on top of these will result in faster development times.

The State Management guide[1] explains state and then explains the usage. If you know Python and want to build a UI with it you'll have to read the guides. The argument that having a familiar language simplies development doesn't stand here.

There are multiple projects now that allow you to build a UI in Python and it feels wrong to me. Who is it even intended for?

[1] https://google.github.io/mesop/guides/state_management/

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