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The Weird Nerd comes with trade-offs

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Re: The Weird Nerd comes with trade-offs

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The disorder is how they affect their social surroundings. Everyone is on the spectrum and the disordered are having social problems.

Out of curiosity, given it is a spectrum, what's at the other end of "really" autisitc (if that's even the right word) or does that just go from 0 being "normal" to 1 being that "really"?

I think another comment said the opposite was schizophrenia.

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My guess is to try to improve human relationships. Trying to understand why someone has consistent surprising/inappropriate reactions might help. The flip side is someone who consistently seems to be surprised by how people are reacting to them and wants better connections.

I do know that people do not like me. Don't get me wrong, my coworkers all get along with me and I think most enjoy working with me but in general people outside of work don't want to be around me. Hell I couldn't even keep my wife interested enough to stick with me. So how could we study what makes me turn off other people and have it make a difference in my life? It is unlikely that I would be able to change myself…

It’s all about realistic introspection. People with a disorder often prefer the disorder to change. I think it is a personal decision. If one feels the need to be closer/understand an individual or is not satisfied with the quality of their human relationships than understanding personalities including one’s own can help.

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Getting other people to do research isn't doing research. You're misattributing who does what.

Very little research can be done by just one person working alone. A huge part of 'doing research' involves getting other people to do research in support of your research.

You're talking past me. I understand that getting research done requires social infrastructure. Do you understand that I don't consider that research?

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I have a lot of experience working with the weird nerd archetype and watching them navigate large orgs. First it's absolutely true that orgs that purport to support weird nerds will revert back to rewarding politicians. I've seen it happen, and typically has to do with who is doling out money. However, in my experience the vast majority of brilliant nerds way overextend themselves, and are much too confident outside…

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However, in my experience the vast majority of brilliant nerds way overextend themselves, and are much too confident outside their domain. They're also much more likely to be jerks and will tumble from conflict to conflict until they get their way by attrition or status. Conflicts are strangely more personal because so much ego is tied up into it. They're more likely to assume they're right in every (non-tech/science…

This won't be a satisfying answer (and won't work for startups), but the solution I saw most frequently was to assign them dedicated diplomats or maintain a middle mgmt class who are well suited to coddle them, absorb most of their emotional energy, and channel it productively (or not) into the wider institution.

That’s been my experience as well. But these minders are not cheap. They need to be smart enough to win the respect of their assigned WNs, charismatic enough to smooth everyone else’s ruffled feathers, patient, and have thick skins.

Definitely worth it for a Nobel Prize level intellect but I’m not sure how far below that the line is.

Re: The Weird Nerd comes with trade-offs

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post #229

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Very little research can be done by just one person working alone. A huge part of 'doing research' involves getting other people to do research in support of your research.

You're talking past me. I understand that getting research done requires social infrastructure. Do you understand that I don't consider that research?

Right, the "Did Steve jobs make the iPhone?" conundrum.

Re: The Weird Nerd comes with trade-offs

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> Any system that is not explicitly pro-Weird Nerd will turn anti-Weird Nerd pretty quickly. Wow. Sure as hell feels that way. See, I actually feel like this is happening across the Internet, too, in a different way. Firstly, I'd consider myself some sort of "Weird Nerd" but certainly not a genius or even especially intelligent; I would be willing to indulge in the idea that my contingent and I have some unusual qual…

A case study in this:

"Normal person," 2002: "you use the Internet? How weird and anti-social!"

Same person, 2012: addicted to Internet in public, oblivious to people around them

Interesting how the social acceptability changed so drastically in ten years time. It's almost as if it is completely arbitrary and based on political (e.g. relative) observations. And not a hint of incongruity is felt between the former and latter opinions.

Re: The Weird Nerd comes with trade-offs

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I wonder, with tools like ChatGPT available, how much more time before society feels they don't need to put up with the weird nerd any longer?

I'm something of a weird nerd myself, and though I haven't tried it, I'm sure ChatGPT could spit out some of the most complicated code I've written and make it look easy.

Re: The Weird Nerd comes with trade-offs

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Usually people with an uncle Rick don’t want to become like him and are actually more self aware.

Except (young?) people are idiots and mistakenly think the bad behavior is the source of the genius rather than just hitching a ride.

Except when it is, which was the actual point here (or maybe stating it more directly). Or maybe it's the other way around (see, e.g. uncle Rick); either way, there seems to be some correlation there.

I imagine that every asshole genius will have plenty of sharp edges in their behavior that they could round off very easily, making it a near-free win for their relationships (and overall success in life). Beyond that, however, it feels likely to me that making them focus - intellectually, emotionally, or both - on being more socially acceptable, eats directly into the focus they have for the things they're genius at, and disproportionally so.

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