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Why read books if we can’t remember what’s in them?

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Re: Why read books if we can’t remember what’s in them?

#11
The list that the OP read:

- Checklist Manifesto - Made to Stick - Confessions of a Public Speaker - Why Everyone Else Is a Hypocrite - The Power of Habit

I think the fact that he's questioning the value of reading such books is fair (and I find it ironic that he's applying such rigor to try and extract value from such books), but these are hardly the books of great literature. Self-improvement and self-motivation books are, perhaps too often, profit-guided and banal.

You don't read, say, Steinbeck or Vonnegut, to 'remember what's in them.' (Furthermore, things like 'active recall' aren't going to help you out.) Authors you have made it to the upper echelons of literature are the ones who develop distinct voices and talents to attract and evoke you in ways lesser literature cannot (I can barely remember East of Eden , but I can point to the emotions it made me feel and the questions it raised about my life) -- these are the books worth reading, worth bruising yourself on.

Re: Why read books if we can’t remember what’s in them?

#12
With fiction, sometimes the entire point can be escapism. A way of taking the mind elsewhere for a time that allows other things to occur because you are not thinking about your current issues.

Like taking a shower - which can be where my best thinking can be done!

This can be a really good way of solving tricky day-to-day issues, even if the process looks like time wasting for those that are overly ambitious.

Re: Why read books if we can’t remember what’s in them?

#13
Reading is fun. The books that we read start dialogues and introduce concepts that we won't remember until we think of them in association with something else. That the OP has to try and justify reading to himself in some sort of rigorous quantitative fashion is just sad.

And I remember plenty of what I read just fine. (Enough of it to satisfy my requirements to keep doing so.)

Re: Why read books if we can’t remember what’s in them?

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post #8

Direct link: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/19/books/review/Collins-t.htm... (IMHO this post adds very ltitle) The poster is quite skeptical that books change us. I don't understand why because the truth is this (IMHO) is blatantly self-evident. Even our machine learning models are capable of taking inputs and changing the internal structure creating or modifying the ability to make inferences. Why do you think our b…

>particularly receptive to the meme of fiction

Actually, our minds and memories are particularly receptive to narrative. Which can also result in problems, both the narrative fallacy ("Our need to fit a story or pattern to a series of connected or disconnected facts" which leads us to overvalue "facts" embedded in a story format) and undervaluing of statistical and other numerical data.

Re: Why read books if we can’t remember what’s in them?

#15
Because books are not read for remembering facts, or very few times books should be read for remember a fact. Unless the fact is life altering, or so astoundingly beautiful that it just has to be in your brain.

Books are read for fun, to go through emotions, experiences and get a generic framework to do stuff in life. They must be read for the aha moments and 'You get the point' kind of moments.

Think of it like meeting an interesting person. Do you go about by remember each an every line you talked. You just enjoy the experience, go through emotions and take away what you can.

Reading text books is a little different. That is your art, you need practice and master. That may require you to 'remember' things.

Re: Why read books if we can’t remember what’s in them?

#16

It is pretty impossible to read a book - a real book - and take notes on computer. I don't know how one would take notes on old fashioned writing pad, while reading a book, at the same time.

write in the margins!

yeah, don't be like Fermat.

Re: Why read books if we can’t remember what’s in them?

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post #11

The list that the OP read: - Checklist Manifesto - Made to Stick - Confessions of a Public Speaker - Why Everyone Else Is a Hypocrite - The Power of Habit I think the fact that he's questioning the value of reading such books is fair (and I find it ironic that he's applying such rigor to try and extract value from such books), but these are hardly the books of great literature. Self-improvement and self-motivation bo…

This is very true.

The best way somebody can teach you something is by narrating a story. I find self help book harping oft-beaten facts all over the book.

Such books put me to sleep.

On the other hand, tell a story and teach you what you want through that story. That will drive the point home.

Re: Why read books if we can’t remember what’s in them?

#20
The attitude of the author is irritating and all too common in people in love with a self image of being an intellectual.

"In the absence of rigorous experimental evidence, I’m quite skeptical." - This is not logic. This is an arrogant and out of hand rejection of a hypothesis that has not yet been proven or disproven.

" “expert” who “totally believes” you’re a “different person” for having read books even if you don’t retain anything, with some flimsy feel-good reasoning such as the “extraordinary capacity for storage” that our brains have"

This is better reasoning than that put forth by the author by far. I love the quotes around "expert". WTF? Does he mean the PhD in Neuroscience and Prof at Tufts? That "expert"? The one who actually has studied this subject in depth?

As many other poster point out, we don't even remember most of our own lives but it is totally absurd to say our life experiences therefore don't influence us and that we shouldn't try to fill our lives with pleasurable moments.

It is unfortunate he defends working to remember more of what he reads with such a flawed and irritating argument because trying to remember what you read is an awesome and worthwhile pursuit. There is no need however to bash all of literary fiction and the reading 99.9% of people on this earth enjoy.

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