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Economic Termites: Monopolies not noticeable enough for most of us

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Re: Economic Termites: Monopolies not noticeable enough for most of us

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And these policies come into place all by themselves?

Of course not, but the policies are driven by politics that prevent the market from providing what people want. High housing prices aren't a market failure, they are due to NIMBYism.

This is a yes and no thing and can wildly vary.

In states that have much lower rates of regulation, house prices are still up off the charts, yea, still way lower than California, but they have pushed prices out of reach of the people that live there, so there has to be multiple pieces occurring (for example low interest rates for a very long time).

Re: Economic Termites: Monopolies not noticeable enough for most of us

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Reading this as a European (Czechia) feels surreal. Every time a merger or an acquisition takes place, it has to get approved by the anti-monopoly bureau and it’s not uncommon they deny it or request some changes to the ownership structure.

The US don't (seriously) do antitrust, that's a problem indeed.

Re: Economic Termites: Monopolies not noticeable enough for most of us

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I very much agree with the premise that economists unduly focus on a few metrics of dubious quality - labor force participation, personal consumption expenditures, market capitalization, wage growth, etc - and overfit them to construct a coherent narrative about the "strength" of the economy and what the experience of living in that economy must be like. There's a story right now being peddled by all the talking head…

> Our method for understanding the economy is flawed There is no misunderstanding. In the Soviet Union, the rulers and their media would every day report on how fantastical the economy was doing and how production was beating records etc. Get used, because this will continue for the rest of your life.

But there was shortages of everything in the USSR.

What shortages are there in the US?

Re: Economic Termites: Monopolies not noticeable enough for most of us

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This is the time for AI assisted efforts to merge with open source to deliver alternatives to all these Big Company type proprietary software solutions. I have been thinking of what it would cost to create enterprise workflow and document management but based on nodejs. Perhaps targeting the business markets of a smaller country such as Pakistan could be a way to get real world feedback before larger markets are targ…

And who is providing support when the file they create doesn't work?

At the end of the day test and integration is a stupid huge amount of work. Moreso when you have one large company that controls the format and makes "little oopsies" that you have to figure out and fix.

Re: Economic Termites: Monopolies not noticeable enough for most of us

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I have a theory that one of the core problems is that American businesses just expect to make too much money. Everyone seems to be aiming for 30% gross margin or more, and then working to get monopoly power or regulatory capture in order to achieve that. When I work with businesses in China they sort of expect cutthroat competition and I'm sure they're not seeing 30% margins. Low a behold stuff is a lot cheaper there…

Antitrust is different in China. State-Owned Enterprises and locally backed private conglomerates tend to help put downward price pressures on a lot of goods [0][1] plus there is a system of price ceilings depending on the commodity or product. Local subsidies and tax breaks also help with minimizing the upfront cost allowing for smaller margins being sustainable over a longer term. [0] - https://businesslawreview.uc…

For a lot of commodity manufacturing stuffs (think screws, etc), it's actually true that china has a lot of internal competition which drives down costs.

Re: Economic Termites: Monopolies not noticeable enough for most of us

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I very much agree with the premise that economists unduly focus on a few metrics of dubious quality - labor force participation, personal consumption expenditures, market capitalization, wage growth, etc - and overfit them to construct a coherent narrative about the "strength" of the economy and what the experience of living in that economy must be like. There's a story right now being peddled by all the talking head…

There are two Americas, the one that HN folks inhabit and the underclass. The former is doing great. The latter has grown and shifted. I grew up in a rural community that was in the process of unraveling from a prosperous farming and light industrial area to a rural slum. There are zero operational farms in that area today. The one I worked for as a teen was in continuous operation since the Dutch colonial period. Th…

When the proverbial one-horse town/single-industry company town has the single-industry leave town, what exactly do you want anyone to do about it?

We already shovel in far more tax dollars maintaining infrastructure for a handful of remaining occupants even when the economic activity no longer justifies the spend. What further burden, exactly, do you think the rest of the world owes ex-rural communities that have deindustrialized like this?

I’ve been to places like this around here, where mining towns have dried up and there’s only a few early-20th-century dams marking anything at all. You have to drive into unmarked, un-google-mappable state land through the fire roads (the kind of thing that gets people killed-by-GPS out west) to even get there etc, and there used to be a whole town there once for the mines. Serious/honest question, what does the broader public really owe that miner?

America needs to have some hard talks about what to do in these (extremely frequent) situations, because infrastructure can’t be an indefinite commitment once the communities that sustain it wither and shrivel away. And it sucks for the handful of holdouts who don’t want to leave, but the community itself is really already dead. If there are 30 people who don't want to leave their homes, do we keep paving roads and delivering US mail and maintaining hundreds of miles of power lines for the 30 people who won't leave?

That's maybe viable when it's a rare situation, but it's not, anymore - America is folding back inwards after over-expanding during the railroad and industrial eras. There are a lot of "railroad towns" where the trains no longer stop, so to speak. And once "the mine dries up", and those arteries stop pumping, people move on. What do we do about the ones who won't? Society is probably "in the hole" (net economic activity) to the tune of millions of dollars of infrastructure per resident, perhaps tens of millions in some cases, over their lifetime.

A lot of these places literally have population density of sub-1-person-per-sq-mile, there are whole regions with sub-10. It's gauche to say it, but at the end of the day everyone knows there is a number when it's worth it and a number when it's not - just like statistical value of life. And at some point, if the taxpayer is kicking in tens of millions of dollars of artificial subsidy, it's becoming a lifestyle choice that we choose to subsidize. By all means offer them a great deal to buy their property and bulldoze it... but at the end of the day we can't keep paving roads onto mountains just because 10 people don't want to move. That is an economic termite right there - and they would use far less charitable terms to describe the situation, if the tables were reversed.

I feel for people who have to leave their lives behind etc, but infrastructure isn't a suicide pact either. It's not a permanent, lifelong commitment even when the fundamentals on the ground totally change - and not everyone is a legacy homeowner to begin with.

http://travelthemitten.com/landmarks/redridge-steel-dam-an-e...

https://99wfmk.com/redridge-michigan/

> Nothing beside remains. Round the decay

> Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare

> The high and lonely hills stretch far away.

Re: Economic Termites: Monopolies not noticeable enough for most of us

#169
I learned this too late in life. You basically have 2 choices.

Either you spend your time working for someone to increase the value of their asset. You get paid a salary, sometimes a very decent one. This is what society trains you for.

Or you own assets.

Re: Economic Termites: Monopolies not noticeable enough for most of us

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I very much agree with the premise that economists unduly focus on a few metrics of dubious quality - labor force participation, personal consumption expenditures, market capitalization, wage growth, etc - and overfit them to construct a coherent narrative about the "strength" of the economy and what the experience of living in that economy must be like. There's a story right now being peddled by all the talking head…

Not that economics is a credible science, but you’re conflating talking heads with economists. Talking heads exist to peddle the agenda of the elites who own them.

who do you think economists also listen to?
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