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Fighting an anti-doping finding

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Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

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Post by lostlogin »

stefan_ wrote: post #19
kelnos wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The rules are clear and can realistically not work any other way Here's one way it can work differently: if someone has to spend any amount of money to clear their name, WADA (or whomever) should have to reimburse them. It's criminal that the author of this article drained her savings merely to prove that she did nothing wrong.

But she hasn't - WADA has appealed to CAS and will likely prevail. At which point she will get the 6 month or so backdated suspension she was always going to get in a case like this. The whole "spend all your money" part was entirely unnecessary.

Was it unnecessary? It’s her career and her reputation.

It’s also on a time schedule where she has a limited period during which she can have success.

Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

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Post by lostlogin »

andreareina wrote: post #23
Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a comment: we need doping leagues. There should be athletes doped up on 10 different steroids looking like Arnie in the '80s.

Bodybuilding, powerlifting, strongman etc all have untested federations. A lot of the money in these sports comes from the athletes themselves, so the athletes have a lot more voice, and scope to find a federation that lets them compete the way they want. Compare this to the UCI where it's a meme that any innovation that comes along gets banned in order to preserve the "spirit of cycling"[1]. [1] maybe a bit less so…

For those like me that hadn’t heard of the supertuck.

https://biketips.com/supertuck-cycling/

Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

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Post by BrainInAJar »

NovemberWhiskey wrote: post #24
stefan_ wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When they signed up to be professional riders with the UCI, they also signed up to be monitored by WADA. The rules are clear and can realistically not work any other way: the majority of violations are on strict liability, it is on the athlete to establish how the substance entered their body if they want to claim contaminant.

There's very little voluntary about signing up to rules that you're required to sign up to in order to have a career in your field. The policy position that detection of prohibited drugs at arbitrary low levels should result in a punitive finding, even though it is not consistent with an attempt to enhance performance or with industry standards on permissible cross-contamination, is untenable. If the goal is to estab…

> There's very little voluntary about signing up to rules that you're required to sign up to in order to have a career in your field.

The rules are signed well before a career even becomes an option. Everyone who holds a race license, even if you buy a bike yesterday & start your first race today, signs the anti-doping agreement

Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

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Post by BrainInAJar »

Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote: post #12
Something1234 wrote: post #4

I really hope people comment on this. It's absolutely fascinating to me how a private organization can ruin someone's life or completely jerk them around like this. With no recourse.

Here's a comment: we need doping leagues. There should be athletes doped up on 10 different steroids looking like Arnie in the '80s.

that's not even a league of "who is the best athlete" it's a league of "who is the best athlete willing to destroy their body"

Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

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Post by refurb »

Something1234 wrote: post #4

I really hope people comment on this. It's absolutely fascinating to me how a private organization can ruin someone's life or completely jerk them around like this. With no recourse.

UK Anti-Doping (UKAD) is the organisation responsible for protecting sport in the United Kingdom from doping. It is a non-departmental public body of the Department for Culture, Media and Sport and is structured as a company limited by guarantee.

Maybe I'm confused, but the issue here is with UKAD, which is a public body?

Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote: post #12
Something1234 wrote: post #4

I really hope people comment on this. It's absolutely fascinating to me how a private organization can ruin someone's life or completely jerk them around like this. With no recourse.

Here's a comment: we need doping leagues. There should be athletes doped up on 10 different steroids looking like Arnie in the '80s.

https://enhanced.org/

> Backed by the world’s top venture capitalists, the Enhanced Games are the Olympics of the future.

> When 44% of athletes already use performance enhancements, it is time to safely celebrate science.

> It’s time to pay athletes instead of bureaucrats, and demonstrate what the human body is truly capable of.

> Sport is safer without drug testing.

Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

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Post by Tao3300 »

rqtwteye wrote: post #21
Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a comment: we need doping leagues. There should be athletes doped up on 10 different steroids looking like Arnie in the '80s.

Yes. Let's have a league where athletes drop dead all the time.

If it's all happening above the table, I think you'd actually get better management of the drugs and far fewer adverse side effects.

Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

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Post by defrost »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #36
Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a comment: we need doping leagues. There should be athletes doped up on 10 different steroids looking like Arnie in the '80s.

https://enhanced.org/ > Backed by the world’s top venture capitalists, the Enhanced Games are the Olympics of the future. > When 44% of athletes already use performance enhancements, it is time to safely celebrate science. > It’s time to pay athletes instead of bureaucrats, and demonstrate what the human body is truly capable of. > Sport is safer without drug testing.

> Sport is safer without drug testing.

That seems improbable at best and requires extraordinary proof to accept as fact.

With strong guardrails maybe, without them contests devolve toward maximal enhanced performance just shy of that which kills or disables.

Much like horse racing when stewards turn a blind eye.

Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

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Post by Tao3300 »

Gualdrapo wrote: post #2

I happen to be related to Miguel Ángel López (his grandparent is one of my father's uncles). If you happen to not know who he is, he was in the Astana Pro Team and had an infamous short stint at Movistar. A few days ago UCI informed he was suspended from professional cycling due to an AAF, and was involved into a doping scandal but allegedly his name got clear about that. I haven't met him personally so I can't tell…

We're all miserable crabs in a bucket.

Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

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Post by makeitdouble »

wqtz wrote: post #10

I geniunely think "anti doping" as a policy practice stands against everything that makes human as a speicies progress as a physcially being. 'Doping' should proudly inducted biomedical research, regulated and commercialized. Because anti-doping is fundamentally a flawed concept, it does not surprise it's application is marred with corruption, negligence and incompetence.

I suppose you're getting downvoted because there's just no simple answer, except that it can't be that ?

If you push that to it's logical conclusion, the whole marketing angle around sport falls apart (you can sell aspiration and lifestyles, you can't for drugs), and if there's no money left, no professionals will be left as well, and we end up with Guinness book record types of chalenges.

It's the same reason all major sports have seemingly sily rules or performance limitations (cycling and the bike bans are my favorite ones), you need to care about the business side to keep a sport alive

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