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Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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I'd be surprised to see a pilot endorse that

Developers are such on-the-spectrum nitpickers. I guess that is what makes them good at their jobs and such unenjoyable cocktail party companions.

Some truth to this. But if it wasn't for that mindset you'd be having your cocktail party in a cave.

Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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post #175

An absolute legend going out like a total badass. I know people will disagree but there is much to be said for living your life on your own terms and accepting the potential consequences without reservation. He was clearly one of those guys. He probably did not expect to die that day, but he knew he would die some day and he wasn’t going to nerf his life to buy a few more years.

This is precisely why I have elected to put off my riskier hobbies until my later years. I find my tolerance for risk goes up as I become less instruyan in the lives of my loved ones. One day, I’ll feel free to take the risks implicit in my stupider ambitions.

Depending on what those hobbies are they may not be nearly the same though. You’ll only get to ski with a 20 year olds knees when you’re 20, for example.

Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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That photograph is a mere footnote to the sheer audacity of Apollo 8 - first crewed flight of the Saturn V. - first crewed spacecraft to leave Earth's orbit. - first crewed spacecraft to enter Lunar orbit. - first humans to see the far side of the moon. - most watched (at the time) live TV broadcast. Those guys had balls of steel, and I'll be pouring one out on the stoop for Bill Anders and the crew later today in me…

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Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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post #100
post #61

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The shutter speed was 1/250th of a second, so the earth rotated about 4 miles or 6 kms while the shutter was open. Not enough to blur the photo obviously, but crazy to think about.

I have no idea how to calculate it, but I interpreted this to mean not that the earth rotated (which everyone is trying to calculate) but that the earth was crossing the horizon of the moon such that four miles of earth crosses the horizon during the shot causing earth blur for a moon-stable reference frame.

From the moon's reference, the Earth orbits around it, traveling 2 × π × distance_moon_earth per orbit. Divide this by 27.3 days (sidereal orbital period) to get the Earth's speed. Multiply by 1/250th of a second. And we find this is, again, much less than 4 miles. Using GNU units:

  $ units "2 * pi * moondist / (27.3 day) * (second / 250)"
        Definition: 4.0958765 m
which is only 0.0025450597 miles.

Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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post #47

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I doubt there are reports. Such is the nature of open secrets. Once they're reported in an official fashion they cease to be "secret" and regulators' hands are forced.

So you have no personal connection and no knowledge of any particular reports. That doesn't make you wrong, but surely you can understand how reading this and not knowing what you know, this raises every possible red flag for unsubstantiated internet speculation.

>So you have no personal connection

What gives you this idea?

>no knowledge of any particular reports.

Correct

>every possible red flag

Hahaha, believe whatever you want to believe. What possible motivation could I have to make this up?

Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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post #28

Man flys to the moon and back, and then 55 years later as a 91 year old dies flying a jet aircraft. Some are just built different.

> flying a jet aircraft Not a jet. The T-34 is a propeller aircraft, used for training.

My bad my mind substituted in T-38 I thought he was flying an old jet trainer not a turboprop.

Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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post #28

Man flys to the moon and back, and then 55 years later as a 91 year old dies flying a jet aircraft. Some are just built different.

> flying a jet aircraft Not a jet. The T-34 is a propeller aircraft, used for training.

The important distinction is not whether it has a propeller, but rather the powerplant: is it a reciprocating engine or a gas turbine? I'm going to go out on a limb a little and say that every single warplane in the US military has a gas turbine engine.

Some gas turbines drive a propeller (turboprop).

Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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post #112

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Because an unfitting way to die is to be stuffed with tubes, half conscious in a bed, shitting your pants uncontrollably. The perspective of dying lying helpless in a hospital or care house is not very appealing to people who had an active life.

Dying in a last scream of fear, angst and struggle regretting a thousand things that may have gone wrong or maybe were just your fault, without having the chance to tell your loved ones how much you love them, and being remembered not only by the incredible flights where no one had gone before, but finally and uttermost by the one that ended your life which will be replayed endlessly in the internets. Not sure what w…

we cannot be 100% sure this final loop in the air was completely unintended, also that he didn't have a stroke or something during this flight.

also wonder whether a seasoned pilot with lifetime experience, and a space time... screams at challenging times in the air.

Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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post #203

This is a Baha'i Prayer I like to say for people who pass on to the next life Its hard to describe how I feel about it, its just so deep and profound... Consciousness itself, as apart from the behavior and computation that goes on in the brain, is a mystery of neuroscience. So maybe somehow it persists after we die? NDEs kinda shed light on that RIP up in the stars man https://www.bahaiprayers.io/prayer?id=204020

Just because we can’t explain it yet doesn’t mean there is some voodoo involved

One does beg the question of where awareness comes from. I can't see that any particular physical arrangement could explain it. I mean, maybe a fundamental particle or fundamentally different form of matter could be found to be what plays the role in producing consciousness, but then what would cause that matter to have or produce awareness? Perhaps that matter has behavior we can measure, but how would it produce conscious awareness? Would it be possible to understand?

As far as I can see all you can explain is that its there, but can't understand why, which suggests its transcendent over what we can see and measure

And what we can see in terms of the physical world is not proof that there isn't more to existence

Take the plant that gains sustenance from the sun and the earth, yet the fact that it has no faculties of perception that allows it to understand those processes is not proof that they don't exist

So perhaps we are like plants in a greater universe? Again, NDE's (near death experiences) are also suggestive of this

And also looking at how Baha'i taught equality of women / men, and the need for independent investigation of truth, and dedicating one's self to helping the poor etc... coming from 19th century Persia that was pretty barbaric and fanatical where women couldn't even show their faces in public much less get educated, and where plundering each other and favoritism was literally the primary engine for their economy... kinda shows that perhaps there is insight in the original Baha'i teachers

Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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post #170
post #38

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Intentional loop. He entered it too fast and too low. On the descent, he was going too fast for his aircraft to have any type of control authority and he was a passenger at that point. The aircraft basically stalled out in a dive, and with no cohesive airflow over the control surfaces, the aircraft continued to stall to the point of impact.

I don't believe the wing was in a stall in this situation. There would have been an abundance of airspeed over the wings. While performing a Split S the issue is that you are pulling too many G's and you and the sooner you level out the more you are pulling.

I agree that it was not in stall, based on reviewing the video. At that level of G a stalled wing would enter what's called an accelerated stall, which will almost always cause a rapid snap roll to one side or the other, as one wing will stall slightly before the other.
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