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Tokyo's Government Is Building Its Own Dating App to Combat Falling Birthrates

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Re: Tokyo's Government Is Building Its Own Dating App to Combat Falling Birthrates

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> “go outside and play, come back for dinner” why is this impractical? EDIT: I'm getting downvoted but I am seriously not sure. I don't have kids right now but its part of how I intend to raise them when I get them.

In the US it will be because of other people, who will call child protective services, who will then come and destroy the family.

This is very far removed from my experience growing up. How do kids even get to school? Can't they walk, cycle or take the bus (I assume that must be possible but they still have to get to the bus stop)?

My first experience of being able to do something on my own was walking to school. It's always the same way, so it must be possible, right? I think I must have been 6-7 years old?

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It is certainly worth hoping for, but I will not believe it until I see it. Until now, we have remained on a dire course.

First time I hear that claim as well. The only "peak" I'm aware of is coal burning for electricity. that is expected to go down going forward, but that's not peak CO2, as coal engines are just one source of CO2 and not even the biggest contributer. Misinformation is big with everything related to climate change as usual, so I kinda doubt we're anything close to peak CO2, but I'll keep checking the global CO2 averages…

To be clear, "peak" refers to the maximum output of CO2; it does not mean that CO2 levels will begin falling in the atmosphere, merely that the rate at which we add it to the atmosphere will begin to trend downwards instead of increasing (as it always has since the dawn of the industrial age). "Net zero" is when no more CO2 is added to the atmosphere and as far as I can tell is essentially science fiction at this point. Decreasing ppms of CO2 is beyond that even.

As I said, this is all rather hard to take when considered seriously which is probably one of the reasons for denial. Probably the only near-term effort that can buy time is increasing the reflectivity of the atmosphere to counteract the greenhouse effect; it does seem technically feasible and economical, but is pretty half-assed and has problems of its own - principally a termination shock if it is ever discontinued.

Re: Tokyo's Government Is Building Its Own Dating App to Combat Falling Birthrates

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> Why would anyone want to have kids today? I'm gradually learning through experience and anecdotes that most women seem to have an innate biological drive to procreate, which is separate from sex drive. I think that's the main reason.

Hunh, statistically, I seem to be wrong: more men than women want kids https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/02/15/among-you... .

I'm surprised by that as well, though speaking as a man, I much prefer my part in the reproductive process; squeezing an infant's head out of any part of my body or getting gutted by a surgeon does not look enticing.

One interesting thing I learned though - when men think of children, they imagine them around four or five, but women tend to think of them around a year old (and again this tracks with my experience), which does make me think women "want babies".

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If someone lets their kids outside while not under direct supervision, there is a real risk of the government taking their kids away from them. Just one example from the news https://reason.com/2022/12/08/emily-fields-pearsiburg-virgin...

I am not in the US. The original post is not even about the US? Shocking. Is this really true? I grew up with my bicycle, which gave me the freedom to spend the summer holidays how I wanted. Visit friends, and when I got a little bit older cycle with them to a lake, a public swimming pool, get ice cream, play football etc. until the sun came down and I had to come home. Of course, I wasn't allowed to do things alone…

There's a few things going on -

(Also, I am indeed American but have lived in Europe for the last 11 years. I moved from Ireland to the Netherlands a year ago so our kids could have more independence, though even here is imperfect).

For the US - and actually a good deal of Europe too - terrible urban and street (stroad, rather) design makes it dangerous and impractical to bike as a child. Having 3 inches of paint as the only protection against a Dodge Ram doign 50 mph isn't ideal.

Also, things are spread farther out compared to older city designs, and there are fewer kids, so within a 5 minute bike ride you'll have fewer friends.

And - this is something my mom tells me at least - two income households becoming the norm means you don't have that safety net of moms (it was almost always moms) with an eye out the window that you could run to in case somebody was badly hurt.

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In the US it will be because of other people, who will call child protective services, who will then come and destroy the family.

This is very far removed from my experience growing up. How do kids even get to school? Can't they walk, cycle or take the bus (I assume that must be possible but they still have to get to the bus stop)? My first experience of being able to do something on my own was walking to school. It's always the same way, so it must be possible, right? I think I must have been 6-7 years old?

It depends on the neighbourhood but at least when I was a kid in Stockton, California everyone in my school was driven, and that was the 90's.

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Drivers will kill them, mostly. Also meddling curtain twitchers reporting you to police and the lack of other kids near by.

but the threat of drivers mostly depends on the neighbourhood. The more walkable it is the less of a threat drivers are, right?

Indeed, but walkable neighbourhoods are hard to come by. Even Europe has plenty of car-focused design.

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I am not in the US. The original post is not even about the US? Shocking. Is this really true? I grew up with my bicycle, which gave me the freedom to spend the summer holidays how I wanted. Visit friends, and when I got a little bit older cycle with them to a lake, a public swimming pool, get ice cream, play football etc. until the sun came down and I had to come home. Of course, I wasn't allowed to do things alone…

There's a few things going on - (Also, I am indeed American but have lived in Europe for the last 11 years. I moved from Ireland to the Netherlands a year ago so our kids could have more independence, though even here is imperfect). For the US - and actually a good deal of Europe too - terrible urban and street (stroad, rather) design makes it dangerous and impractical to bike as a child. Having 3 inches of paint as…

> For the US - and actually a good deal of Europe too - terrible urban and street (stroad, rather) design makes it dangerous and impractical to bike as a child.

Hmm, tbh. I would consider it impractical for a child then! Aren't they sort of trapped then? I grew up in the suburbs and then moved to the cities big and small and biking was always ok. I think it's generally easier in the city without adequate infrastructure as cars are not that fast but in the suburbs there's more room for infrastructure like bike-paths. How is it in the US? Or are the distances just too far (you can still cover a lot of distance in 20-30 min bike rides!)

> And - this is something my mom tells me at least - two income households becoming the norm means you don't have that safety net of moms (it was almost always moms) with an eye out the window that you could run to in case somebody was badly hurt.

Well, I think that depends on the age. The older you get the more I could do. When I am at a lake/public swimming pool etc. there's no mom nearby. It was a 20-40min bike ride! I think i could just gradually do more until I was 18 and could go everywhere anyway. And when I was young I was only allowed on a few spots nearby. There's a big difference between 8 and 12. But we were certainly allowed to go into parts of "our" forest, there were also trails for mountain bikes there.

BUT I still don't understand it! So, it's dangerous because you have a lot of (I am assuming higher-speed?) roads, so kids often can't bike. So I am assuming somebody has to drive somebody always somewhere. It really sounds like a full time job, I had sports and piano lessons and friends and from what I understand US kids do a lot of activities like this. My mom would constantly have to play taxi? But the amount of time this would take...I think this would be either straight up impossible or maybe only with a part time job where you do the logistics of moving children from school to friend, from friend to sports etc. afterwards. Tbh it also sounds like a really annoying job for the parents but you also write that two income households are becoming the norm. So how do they do it if there are other things in life then constantly revolving around your kids (which I think is too much btw)? The only solution I can think of is something like a day-care facility for kids I would consider too old. Or are kids often bound to their house except if there's a scheduled trip with one of the parents?

Are they really, really unable to do anything until they are 18 (or 16, idk when you can drive in the US)? I would not consider that a child, that is a toddler.

My understanding of growing up in the US is mainly based on watching some episodes stranger things :D They bike a lot in there! Is this a totally unrealistic picture (in case you've seen it)?

Oh, I just had another major question. My girlfriend was only raised by her mother as her dad passed away when she was young. What do you do in this situation? You can't drive your kids everywhere constantly as you're alone and also have to work. Right? Seriously, what do you do?

It only sounds possible if you have a stay at home dad/mom who's only constantly revolving around the children. That's okay if that's what you want but I think it's unhealthy for both and probably also unrealistic for many.

I really hope I get an answer I am genuinely interested!

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This is very far removed from my experience growing up. How do kids even get to school? Can't they walk, cycle or take the bus (I assume that must be possible but they still have to get to the bus stop)? My first experience of being able to do something on my own was walking to school. It's always the same way, so it must be possible, right? I think I must have been 6-7 years old?

It depends on the neighbourhood but at least when I was a kid in Stockton, California everyone in my school was driven, and that was the 90's.

So the school bus-system is not a major thing?

Re: Tokyo's Government Is Building Its Own Dating App to Combat Falling Birthrates

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Give people 6 hour workday with mandatory no-overtime and the problem will fix itself. It’s not rocket science.

In Japan? If you did that, the economy would immediately fall over. I don't think you're very well informed on this subject matter.

Seems like the economy is going to fall over when they have no more workforce left :)

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In the US it will be because of other people, who will call child protective services, who will then come and destroy the family.

This is very far removed from my experience growing up. How do kids even get to school? Can't they walk, cycle or take the bus (I assume that must be possible but they still have to get to the bus stop)? My first experience of being able to do something on my own was walking to school. It's always the same way, so it must be possible, right? I think I must have been 6-7 years old?

It's very far from my experience too. But that was in the 70s & 80s, and in small town.
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