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Ask HN: How to handle a senior hire turning out to be junior?

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Re: Ask HN: How to handle a senior hire turning out to be junior?

#61

If you’re willing to write all of this in a hacker news post, it’s clear that you take this very seriously, and it weighs heavily on your mind. Based on what you said, it’s also clear you must let this person go, but be helpful in finding them an opportunity that matches their skill level. Easier said than done!

Maybe they should create a startup teaching very talented people how to better represent themselves in interviews.

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a senior hire turning out to be junior?

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This is a good case study and how different the US versus European climate for scenarios like this is

How does Europe handle it?

It is expensive --- but here (the Netherlands) you can still fire or demote someone after the initial trial period. Instant dismissal without cause (for non-discriminatory reasons) is possible in the trial period, with trial period being time-limited (1 month for 12 month contract, 2-3 for permanent).

The going rate for firing without cause is about 1/3rd of a month of salary per year of employment for an employee under 55 (?) on a permanent contract. On a yearly contract this is difficult - I would recommend hiring on permanent contracts because they are even seen as a positive.

Demoting will mean that you overpay someone, but will at least clarify the new hierarchy to the team.

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a senior hire turning out to be junior?

#66

This is what the 'probation' period is for?

We don't have those in America. Mostly because your healthcare is tied to your job, so nobody would risk taking a probationary role that could land them out of work and without healthcare at the end of it...

I don't follow (not from the US, please excuse my ignorance). I was told that, with some exceptions, in the US every job is permanently "on probation" ("at will employment"). As in, you can get fired from one day to the other, no severance and no reason needed (as long as it's not discrimination based on sex, religion, etc). Is my understanding incomplete?

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a senior hire turning out to be junior?

#68
> I guess in most companies this would be a no-brainer, but we're a small outfit with a focus on personal development, intrinsic motivation, good climate, and low turnover.

Really? You want low turnover in people who lie to you in the interview and are a drag on the rest of the team?

That’s exactly how you get high turnover from the good-fit people.

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a senior hire turning out to be junior?

#69
I appreciate your willingness to try to salvage the situation, but the best thing for all parties in scenarios like this is to transition them out.

I liked to use GWC for all employees: - do they "get it"? - do they want it? - do they have the capacity to do it?

All three must be yes for a role to be a good fit.

It's nobody's fault; perhaps they -were- at a senior level at another org, but your definition of senior might be more aligned with the market.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter. Their capabilities do not match the requirements of the business. Take the emotion out and it's an easy decision.

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