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Ask HN: How to handle a senior hire turning out to be junior?

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Re: Ask HN: How to handle a senior hire turning out to be junior?

#21

As you consider the decision to let them go, consider the impact on other people in your work place too. Other developers notice someone like that underperforming and getting overpaid, and it can hurt the good climate you aim for. It may feel bad to fire them, but it may be worse to keep them.

>“The fastest way to demotivate a good employee is to show them the lengths you are willing to tolerate a bad employee”

- a sheet of paper i found in a desk 20 years ago

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a senior hire turning out to be junior?

#23
Get that interview process fixed ASAP and let this lemon go. Don’t be surprised if there is pushback from non-technicals if this hire checked a bunch of boxes for other departments.

A good strategy would be to have them be a lead on a minor project that requires technical chops and communication. Ensure there is a daily standup and grind them on details and timelines. Get them some juniors as direct reports to expose their lack of knowledge, then have meetings with these junior devs about project performance.

The stress alone will probably make them quit. Document as much as you can in emails and messaging systems.

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a senior hire turning out to be junior?

#24

This is what the 'probation' period is for?

We don't have those in America. Mostly because your healthcare is tied to your job, so nobody would risk taking a probationary role that could land them out of work and without healthcare at the end of it...

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a senior hire turning out to be junior?

#25

Why it needs another 6-12 months to get them to be productive? Is it some system programming position? I can't imagine anything else that would require a year to get people into shape.

Kernel development, simulations, numerical methods, ML, graphics, database internals, compilers, infosec engineering, etc.

10 years ago yes, but nowadays that domain-specific knowledge can be solved with a $20 ChatGPT subscription (as it simulates very well pair-programming and spitting out explanations for you).

It sounds more like legacy / messy systems with no dev/staging platform, or very bad documentation, or even a terrible onboarding process if you really need 9 months for someone to deploy code.

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a senior hire turning out to be junior?

#26
First talk to this dev face to face to understand if they were lying to you and being disingenuous about their skill level or was it your own interview tests that just failed to detect they weren’t a senior

If they lied, fire them.

If they were honest during interview and their previous company salary, wasnt higher than your junior pay, give them an option for either demotion or resignation (with decent severance if you can afford to so that they have safety net to look for new jobs)

If you were going to hire someone junior too in the short term, then just demote this new dev to his real level.

If not, and you desperately need senior dev, make this current new dev resign or fire them.

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a senior hire turning out to be junior?

#27
If you hired from an external recruiter, don’t delay getting rid of them — there’s probably a warranty clause where you’ll get most of your recruiter fee back if and only if you turn it around quick enough. 12 weeks in and the warranty is normally done.

Letting go of someone sucks, but offset that against upsetting your current good, hard-working team. The quicker you let this person go, the more easily they can pretend the job never happened on their CV.

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a senior hire turning out to be junior?

#28
Do they know they're underperforming? While they may have imposter syndrome, it's a different thing to know you're actually under performing in the eyes of management. Have the difficult conversation and address the elephant in the room.

Critically, discuss your options and intentions with HR. It can get messy for everyone if you don't approach dismissal in the right way.

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a senior hire turning out to be junior?

#29
We hired a guy like that. Clear deficiency in hiring process. I wasn't in management, but letting the mistake fester won't make it better. Additionally, if someone is that "senior" and good at interviewing, but not at thier job, it's unlikely they will come up to speed at a reasoble rate. Thier primary skill is interviewing, they might not be able to learn the skills they need to succeed. Let him go!

Re: Ask HN: How to handle a senior hire turning out to be junior?

#30

Get that interview process fixed ASAP and let this lemon go. Don’t be surprised if there is pushback from non-technicals if this hire checked a bunch of boxes for other departments. A good strategy would be to have them be a lead on a minor project that requires technical chops and communication. Ensure there is a daily standup and grind them on details and timelines. Get them some juniors as direct reports to expose…

That is just evil to both that person and your team. Just let the person go if they do not satisfy what they were selling them self as. Dont play evil and stupid games.
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