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Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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Re: Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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Why there are no $3k-$4k cars? I am sure most people need cheaper cars, not electric cars, or AI cars, or cars with mobile app and telemetry. Those are toys for the rich.

I'd like a $4K electric car

Got a fairly low mileage Chevy Bolt for 11

Deals are out there if you're not too picky

Re: Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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Safety regulations. "A Car" needs to be able to operate safely on highways at 60+ MPH. That means: horsepower, braking, crumple zones, airbags, crash testing, etc. By the time you add those up you've already exceeded that budget, and you only have a glorified rickshaw. People want doors, roll-down windows, etc, which all add cost... they're going to be better served with a used car in that price range. The closest th…

Would the 3-wheel tadpole configuration vehicles (technically classified as motorcycles) fit the bill? I see them on the road frequently -- they have seats and car type controls, 2-seaters, some are fully enclosed too. I think this type is called an autocycle.

Maybe? I think they're mostly used as sports vehicles currently, but it might be possible to squeeze a more practical vehicle into that class.

Re: Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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To replace a touchscreen, you need knobs, sliders, and switches. They don't need to directly connect to things; they can just talk CANbus like everything else in a car. You just need low-cost, rugged, standard modules for knobs, lights, sliders, and switches. Make them all the same depth and mount them staked into a PC board. Provide the board with a stiffening rail so the thing feels solid if someone pushes hard. The board has one CANbus output that connects to the dashboard bus. No hand-wiring. Only one thing to install during vehicle assembly.

Such controls are used in tractors, heavy trucks, and heavy machinery.[1] They just need to be engineered as a volume product. Probably in Shenzhen.

[1] https://www.carlingtech.com/digital-switching

Re: Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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If buyers want features, this implies a demand in the market.

If capitalism is {buyer; market; seller} then demand in the market should draw product from sellers.

The market is regulated, so wildly unsafe demands should go unmet.

But if the market is over-regulated, then an electoral feedback loop ought to trim excessive regulation so that the market can meet demand.

Which brings us to the question: why aren't people running for office on a platform of taking pliers and a blowtorch to the Orwellian regulatory thicket?

Re: Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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I can somewhat justify the cost of mid and full size SUVs currently, but still hate that you're looking to spend about 40-60k, more if luxury. The "popularity" of the segment has pushed makers to actually put some effort in handling, fuel efficiency, and reliability. The current offerings of this segment is leaps better than majority of the offerings of mid 2010s and older.

However, each maker is just slightly missing the mark here and there, and you are pretty much just cross shopping compromises. Unibody or body on frame? Lose physical buttons? Get touchscreen distractions spanned across your entire dash? Half baked infotainment system? Laughable trunk space with the third row up? No fold flat third row? Off-road/overland trim, but barely capable and/or not even a good enough platform to warrant aftermarket support?

At the current prices new or used, how long these cars last when taken care of, and being a "bang for buck"/"buy once cry once" kind of person. Nothing has really been compelling enough for me to purchase a 3 row for my spouse. (Nuclear family with kids really close in age that regularly road trip)

When it comes to crossovers, compact, and sedans. (Non sport/performance trims) The prices are alright, just find a solid example of something made within the past decade within your budget, take care of it, it takes care of you.

The sports car or performance trim segment is where I'm also torn. On one hand, everything is so much faster, capable, and more reliable (debatable) as time goes on. The other, is that the essence of what made older cars of the same segment great is slowly getting neutered out of the overall driving and owning experience.

Re: Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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The exist, in markets like India. They're death traps, not meeting Western standards of even 30 years ago.

How do the modern Chinese $10k cars compare? Genuine question.

The BYD Seagull meets European safety regulations.

Re: Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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Are these really the problem? I feel like new cars are obscenely expensive right now. Even a basic car can easily run you 30-40k, the same thing a few years used will be The difference between a brand new car and a 10 year old car is almost nil in terms of featureset nowadays (if anything, you get more because you can buy a higher end older model for less), every car has all the basics. Cars just got so good over the…

Well slight disagree: I bought a sweet manual 6 speed 4x4 softop jeep 2 door from a Boston guy with just the right amount of after market add ons. Its "definitely there" and nothing to prove. I loved that ride. Manual everything. No subscriptions; simple engine. Little electronics. Cheap to fix. New tires at $350 each was the most expensive thing on it. Op is right for various reasons. Last New car purchase about 2005 for me. My wife totalled it and the prev car with 1 year of purchase ... so i partially quit new cause of that. Carmax as far as I can tell is too generous buying used cars, and they have too many good cars to bother with new. Electric is not my ballgame; other than not my pref not smart enough to say anymore more there.

Re: Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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post #18

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Why there are no $3k-$4k cars? I am sure most people need cheaper cars, not electric cars, or AI cars, or cars with mobile app and telemetry. Those are toys for the rich.

I'd like a $4K electric car

Which is less than a decent electric bike. Good luck.

Re: Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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> Anyone using a washer, listens for it I hate laundry. I still have no idea how to do it; I referred to detergent as laundry sauce a few years ago after forgetting the word. (Thank you, subconscious of mine.) The new machines with screens are a nuisance. Apparently to you, somebody competent. But also to those of us for whom listening to one’s washing machine sounds like advice from a laundry Lorax.

Have you considered spending some time to understand how these machines work? I promise you the operational part in the manual that came with them is probably 10 pages long, and designed to instruct folks with an eighth grade reading level how to do laundry.

> is probably 10 pages long

I’ve seen one recently. It’s about 60-200 pages long book (multiple languages) worth of legalese. Same with most appliances and child car seats (which is especially cruel when you had a baby, no sleep for days and try to install one).

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