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Tesla Cybertruck Loses to Model X in Towing Range Test – Again

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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Loses to Model X in Towing Range Test – Again

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Post by seadan83 »

aziaziazi wrote: post #18
Tostino wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not how these calculations work at all. Weight (if it doesn't change the size or shape) really only has an effect on rolling resistance, which is a small portion of overall losses. The extra weight should make a marginal difference in efficiency. Just expect more tire wear.

Doesn’t weight have a massive effect on power needed for acceleration ? To go from A to B You need to get up to speed but also acceleration for regulating your speed after taking a turn, crossing a traffic light, passing someone over…

If we ignore air resistance, then weight and time are the only variables needed to determine the power needed for a given acceleration. Force is related to mass through "F=ma", and power is effectively force over time.

Though, neglecting air resistance is a huge deal. A cyclist traveling over 20mph is spending something like 90% of their energy at that point overcoming air resistance. For objects travelling faster, it's a square low of how much more power is needed. Air resistance is a very huge effect. With that said, if travel is dominated by accelerating and decelerating (eg: urban or mountainous environments), then yeah - weight is a huge big deal.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Loses to Model X in Towing Range Test – Again

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Post by dsalfdslfdsa »

martin_a wrote: post #19
Tostino wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not how these calculations work at all. Weight (if it doesn't change the size or shape) really only has an effect on rolling resistance, which is a small portion of overall losses. The extra weight should make a marginal difference in efficiency. Just expect more tire wear.

Newton's laws of motion would like to have a talk with you about those statements. A heavier vehicle absolutely needs more energy than a lighter one when all other factors stay the same.

I'd love to see how you derive that from Newton's Laws of Motion, which are all about acceleration. All other things being equal, it takes no more or less energy to keep a heavy object in motion than a light one. After all, a pendulum's period is proportional to its length, and not its weight.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Loses to Model X in Towing Range Test – Again

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Post by grepfru_it »

wcarron wrote: post #36
SkyPuncher wrote: post #32

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Fuel efficiency is absolutely a concern with regards to operating costs. The people that really need to haul things absolutely care about how expensive it is to run a vehicle.

I have never seen a person with a dualie who actually hauled things. They're cosplay items. Fuel efficiency is a negative for that market segment.

Tell us you live in the suburbs without telling us you live in the suburbs (come visit some country folk, or work with construction crews on a regular basis to change that opinion)

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Loses to Model X in Towing Range Test – Again

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Post by wcarron »

grepfru_it wrote: post #43
wcarron wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never seen a person with a dualie who actually hauled things. They're cosplay items. Fuel efficiency is a negative for that market segment.

Tell us you live in the suburbs without telling us you live in the suburbs (come visit some country folk, or work with construction crews on a regular basis to change that opinion)

Lmao, tell me you truck cosplay without telling me.

The vast, vast majority of construction sites don't need a dualie. Hell, half of them don't need a truck. I've seen and met numerous plumbers, electricians, and carpenters who roll up in a van. My uncle was a GC for 40 years. My other uncle was a union pipe/sprinkler fitter. My cousin is an electrician. My other cousin owns a roofing company, and my pops is an architect who regularly makes site visits. None of them owned a work truck. The only one who does own a truck is the roofer who got a Raptor for fun.

The majority of truck owners do not haul large cargo. The majority of construction workers do not bring tools requiring a bed each day. Lawn crews use trailers for their actually large equipment. With fewer and fewer exceptions each year, trucks are increasingly bloated emotional support vehicles for insecure and obnoxious turds.

While you were right in calling that an exaggeration, the only people who I've ever seen use a dualie for real work were all towing horses.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Loses to Model X in Towing Range Test – Again

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Post by SkyPuncher »

wcarron wrote: post #36
SkyPuncher wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fuel efficiency is absolutely a concern with regards to operating costs. The people that really need to haul things absolutely care about how expensive it is to run a vehicle.

I have never seen a person with a dualie who actually hauled things. They're cosplay items. Fuel efficiency is a negative for that market segment.

You probably see them all the time, but don't recognize them as dualies with a flat bed on.

Most people who do serious hauling pull the bed off.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Loses to Model X in Towing Range Test – Again

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Post by SkyPuncher »

wcarron wrote: post #44
grepfru_it wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell us you live in the suburbs without telling us you live in the suburbs (come visit some country folk, or work with construction crews on a regular basis to change that opinion)

Lmao, tell me you truck cosplay without telling me. The vast, vast majority of construction sites don't need a dualie. Hell, half of them don't need a truck. I've seen and met numerous plumbers, electricians, and carpenters who roll up in a van. My uncle was a GC for 40 years. My other uncle was a union pipe/sprinkler fitter. My cousin is an electrician. My other cousin owns a roofing company, and my pops is an archi…

Most construction people don't need a dualie because they're not hauling heavy equipment.

Need a skid steer, trencher, scissor, lift or other heavy equipment and you quickly enter dualie territory.

That being said, an F-250, F-350, F-450 are all essentially the same truck. Same engine. Mostly just stiffer suspensions on the heavier duty trucks.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Loses to Model X in Towing Range Test – Again

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Post by grepfru_it »

wcarron wrote: post #44
grepfru_it wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell us you live in the suburbs without telling us you live in the suburbs (come visit some country folk, or work with construction crews on a regular basis to change that opinion)

Lmao, tell me you truck cosplay without telling me. The vast, vast majority of construction sites don't need a dualie. Hell, half of them don't need a truck. I've seen and met numerous plumbers, electricians, and carpenters who roll up in a van. My uncle was a GC for 40 years. My other uncle was a union pipe/sprinkler fitter. My cousin is an electrician. My other cousin owns a roofing company, and my pops is an archi…

Yes a van is all you need for that. To say you don’t need dualies at all is a joke. What happens is that the dualies are used for heavy equipment but then they double as a vehicle for employees and are given to them as a perk. As such dualies are seen driving around without “being used” or sitting in driveways of McMansions. But thats simply because it’s used as a perk for employees. Very few people are dropping $80k for a f-250 or bigger for cosplay.

Sometimes they need the bed to haul things that a f150 is fine for but they need the cab space to take 6 people plus their gear between jobs

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