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Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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I saw the headline earlier, and my first thought was "I hope he was the pilot, because that would be a fitting way to go for a legend." Not only was he the pilot, but he was flying solo at 90 years old.

What a legend indeed.

Godspeed, Bill. :salute:

Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an open secret in the aviation community that large numbers of aging boomers are medically unfit to fly but are able to maintain their medicals, for a variety of reasons.

Is there any more you can say about (1) how you know this and/or (2) whether there are reports or books that talk about this at all?

This is the main way: https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certificati...

Lots of old pilots in the general aviation community are on BasicMed.

Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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All respect, this guy is was ~91. I’m uncomfortable driving with my mom. As a total layperson, what sort of tests does a person have to pass annually(?) to maintain a pilot’s license? Or is this dude just so O.G. that he was bound to go out living his dream?

At a minimum, flight reviews every two years. More applicable to a 90yo is keeping a medical.

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Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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All respect, this guy is was ~91. I’m uncomfortable driving with my mom. As a total layperson, what sort of tests does a person have to pass annually(?) to maintain a pilot’s license? Or is this dude just so O.G. that he was bound to go out living his dream?

I’ve seen a few people mentioning medical certifications, but nobody has mentioned that 8 years ago the FAA passed a system called BasicMed which allows pilots to continue flying without getting a medical examination as long as they meet certain conditions. The plane must not exceed 6,000 lbs and must carry less than six passengers. You also can’t have failed your last medical exam. The plane he crashed had a maximum…

You still need to get a physical (and sign off) from your primary doc every few years under BasicMed. Just not a full FAA flight physical. If someone has not had a documented physical at all in 8 years, they're not legal to fly.

This is also a matter of public record, you can look up exactly what medical class he's operating under and when his last physical exam was on the FAA website. There no need to speculate.

Edit: I just looked it up. He had his last BasicMed physical from his primary doc last year, so he was current.

Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least with an airplane you're not much risk to others....

Sarcasm doesn't translate well via text.

A very large proportion of private aviation accidents involve only the people in the aircraft.

Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least with an airplane you're not much risk to others....

Sarcasm doesn't translate well via text.

This wasn't sarcastic at all—any driver of a car is far more dangerous than one in a plane. 9/11 is essentially meaningless in the shadow of auto deaths (to provide a direct comparison). I can't get a firm number on number of plane fatalities in the US (or auto fatalities worldwide), but 9/11 alone would amount to about only 0.04% of total vehicle fatalities in the US since 2000.

Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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All respect, this guy is was ~91. I’m uncomfortable driving with my mom. As a total layperson, what sort of tests does a person have to pass annually(?) to maintain a pilot’s license? Or is this dude just so O.G. that he was bound to go out living his dream?

Pilots in the US need to pass a biennial flight review with a few hours of ground… or add a rating instead. It’s possible he was operating under BasicMed so he may not have needed a recent medical.

He absolutely was on BasicMed; his last medical was 11 years ago. His last BasicMed course was about a year ago.
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