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Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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Re: Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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Are these really the problem? I feel like new cars are obscenely expensive right now. Even a basic car can easily run you 30-40k, the same thing a few years used will be The difference between a brand new car and a 10 year old car is almost nil in terms of featureset nowadays (if anything, you get more because you can buy a higher end older model for less), every car has all the basics. Cars just got so good over the…

Why there are no $3k-$4k cars? I am sure most people need cheaper cars, not electric cars, or AI cars, or cars with mobile app and telemetry. Those are toys for the rich.

Safety regulations.

"A Car" needs to be able to operate safely on highways at 60+ MPH. That means: horsepower, braking, crumple zones, airbags, crash testing, etc. By the time you add those up you've already exceeded that budget, and you only have a glorified rickshaw. People want doors, roll-down windows, etc, which all add cost... they're going to be better served with a used car in that price range.

The closest things that exist are Neighborhood Electric Vehicles. They're basically golf carts with seatbelts, allowed to operate on city streets up to 25 MPH.

It would be great if the US had something like Japan's Kei Cars. Those are $10k and up, fast and safe enough for local highway use (say 50MPH)... It works in Japan because urban traffic tends to be low speed. They are less practical in the US where freeways run through every city, but they'd still work for many people. They would require significant regulation changes.

Re: Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

#52
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> Anyone using a washer, listens for it I hate laundry. I still have no idea how to do it; I referred to detergent as laundry sauce a few years ago after forgetting the word. (Thank you, subconscious of mine.) The new machines with screens are a nuisance. Apparently to you, somebody competent. But also to those of us for whom listening to one’s washing machine sounds like advice from a laundry Lorax.

Doing laundry is of about the same complexity as boiling an egg.

If I want a boiled egg, chances are I want it soft-boiled (runny yolk but cooked white) which is the custom here in the UK. (As children we are given a softboiled egg in an egg-cup along with rectangles of toast called "soldiers" to dip in the yolk. I guess it's an Edwardian thing, redolent of Nannies and Nurseries.)

In all my 50 years I still cannot reliably produce a softboiled egg, regardless of the method. Do I bring the water to the boil with the eggs already in the pan, then count from when it reaches the boil? How do I judge a "rolling boil"? Or do I wait for the water to boil then put the eggs in, risking cracking? How do I adjust the timing if I want to boil multiple eggs?

I can hardboil them but sometimes overcook them and get that sulphurous green yolk edge, or I forget to set an alarm and underboil them leading to an unpleasant surprise later of a partially-cooked egg white spilling out of my inedible egg.

For fried eggs in my stainless steel pan (I don't have any non-stick pans) unless I pre-heat for ~20mins, the egg sticks and I often end up having to chisel it out with the spatula and breaking the yolk which depending on my morning mood can be a real downer. Added to which the underside is usually cooked way before the top, and the egg white in the thickest part is still clear and snotty, so I will try to flip the egg, doubling my chances of breaking the yolk and killing my morning.

Scrambled eggs are nice but easy to overcook to a dry pebbly consistency, and unfailingly create a quarter-inch layer of crusted egg in the pan which goes to soak in the sink and return later in the day as a jellyish monstrosity to cling to my hand or be clawed dripping out of the plughole catcher.

I love a filled omelette, but again it's a crapshoot - too hot a pan and the egg goes hard and rubbery on the outside, too cold and the folding is difficult, especially with solid items in the filling.

My point is, boiling eggs is undeserving of its status as a byword for simplicity. It's getting to the stage (for me) where it's an object lesson in how much I can fuck up a seemingly simple thing.

Re: Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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Why there are no $3k-$4k cars? I am sure most people need cheaper cars, not electric cars, or AI cars, or cars with mobile app and telemetry. Those are toys for the rich.

The exist, in markets like India. They're death traps, not meeting Western standards of even 30 years ago.

How do the modern Chinese $10k cars compare? Genuine question.

Re: Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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About two years ago,, the CEO of Stellantis was crowing that they were going to crank up their margins to Apple levels with after-sale feature bills. Not hearing that much any more. The "more crap per car" approach backfired. For a while, rather blah SUVs were reaching for US$100,000. That didn't last.

Outside the US, which now has a 100% tariff on cars imported from China, electric cars from China are taking over. Nio and BYD have good cars now. Without subscription-based heated car seats.

Re: Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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Why there are no $3k-$4k cars? I am sure most people need cheaper cars, not electric cars, or AI cars, or cars with mobile app and telemetry. Those are toys for the rich.

Safety regulations. "A Car" needs to be able to operate safely on highways at 60+ MPH. That means: horsepower, braking, crumple zones, airbags, crash testing, etc. By the time you add those up you've already exceeded that budget, and you only have a glorified rickshaw. People want doors, roll-down windows, etc, which all add cost... they're going to be better served with a used car in that price range. The closest th…

Would the 3-wheel tadpole configuration vehicles (technically classified as motorcycles) fit the bill? I see them on the road frequently -- they have seats and car type controls, 2-seaters, some are fully enclosed too. I think this type is called an autocycle.

Re: Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The exist, in markets like India. They're death traps, not meeting Western standards of even 30 years ago.

How do the modern Chinese $10k cars compare? Genuine question.

The BYD Seagull, at US$11,000 before the new 100% tariff, gets decent reviews.[1]

[1] https://insideevs.com/news/710364/byd-detroit-import-seagull...

Re: Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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The exist, in markets like India. They're death traps, not meeting Western standards of even 30 years ago.

How do the modern Chinese $10k cars compare? Genuine question.

China is a difficult place to try to pry factual information out of, but I wouldn’t be keen to go that route.

I’ve seen some indication on social media of an elevated amount of severe failures of materials and/or poor welding in new vehicles from China. This leads me to suspect the usual corner cutting or outright fraud on material quality that makes China so risky to do business with.

It is difficult enough to hold western automakers to account for failures, I would not want to attempt to need legal recourse from Chinese companies.

Re: Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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Are these really the problem? I feel like new cars are obscenely expensive right now. Even a basic car can easily run you 30-40k, the same thing a few years used will be The difference between a brand new car and a 10 year old car is almost nil in terms of featureset nowadays (if anything, you get more because you can buy a higher end older model for less), every car has all the basics. Cars just got so good over the…

Why there are no $3k-$4k cars? I am sure most people need cheaper cars, not electric cars, or AI cars, or cars with mobile app and telemetry. Those are toys for the rich.

With that budget you get an electric bike, though. That's a small, cheap, healthy car.

Re: Used cars retain designs and features more coveted than their replacements

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If you had to buy a clothes washer recently, top load is better than side load, agitator is better than no agitator, analog buttons or dial is a plus, et al. Old is better than new. The rude design choices have compounded. Nobody needs an app to know what cycle their washer is at. Anyone using a washer, listens for it. When your display goes out, all the functionality is gone. It's just mind boggling. The 2024 Hyunda…

> Anyone using a washer, listens for it. Currently, I have to set a timer on my phone to go check the washer and dryer because my laundry is in the basement and I'm probably on the 2nd floor or outside. I would love it if these things would run on my network with simple, published APIs exposed to tell me status so that I could know that I could have automated alerting and know that they wouldn't fail in the future wh…

> I would love it if these things would run on my network with simple, published APIs

Then we could run botnets from those things, too. And ransomwares! I would love it if all the connected crap in my city went down at the same time, so that maybe people would think twice before buying a connected fridge.

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