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Fighting an anti-doping finding

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Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

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I really hope people comment on this. It's absolutely fascinating to me how a private organization can ruin someone's life or completely jerk them around like this. With no recourse.

> how a private organization can ruin someone's life

Believe it or not, the cyclists signed up for the possibility of ruin. Maybe there is an argument for some legal intervention to prevent people from agreeing to something so egregious?

Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

#12

I really hope people comment on this. It's absolutely fascinating to me how a private organization can ruin someone's life or completely jerk them around like this. With no recourse.

Here's a comment: we need doping leagues. There should be athletes doped up on 10 different steroids looking like Arnie in the '80s.

Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

#13

I really hope people comment on this. It's absolutely fascinating to me how a private organization can ruin someone's life or completely jerk them around like this. With no recourse.

Here's a comment: we need doping leagues. There should be athletes doped up on 10 different steroids looking like Arnie in the '80s.

Why. That sounds lame as hell

Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

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I happen to be related to Miguel Ángel López (his grandparent is one of my father's uncles). If you happen to not know who he is, he was in the Astana Pro Team and had an infamous short stint at Movistar. A few days ago UCI informed he was suspended from professional cycling due to an AAF, and was involved into a doping scandal but allegedly his name got clear about that. I haven't met him personally so I can't tell…

MAL's finding is not exactly surprising, and Astana has been suspect since they became a thing in the wake of the demise of Liberty Seguros after Operacion Puerto

Superman ain't Lizzie Banks

Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

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post #5

I really hope people comment on this. It's absolutely fascinating to me how a private organization can ruin someone's life or completely jerk them around like this. With no recourse.

I hate to think of other agencies that act this negligently. Not enough funds/competence to do their task properly but a ton of power to destroy people's lives, the problems too complex to tease out without real focus.

It's basically every large organisation in the world. I've worked in enough now to understand they're all the same.

Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

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post #10

I geniunely think "anti doping" as a policy practice stands against everything that makes human as a speicies progress as a physcially being. 'Doping' should proudly inducted biomedical research, regulated and commercialized. Because anti-doping is fundamentally a flawed concept, it does not surprise it's application is marred with corruption, negligence and incompetence.

While physical activity is good, high level competitive sports takes a toll on the body. Adding doping into the mix means that you willingly encourage athletes to take even more risks with their health and life. You also create a much bigger opportunity for countries with loose human rights track records to abuse individual athletes they have control over, as having Olympic medalists is used as a political tool for politicians to improve their standing on the global stage, and to improve their image within their country.

You should read up on the history of doping, it's not pretty. An example I have in mind is female swimmers from USSR who were forced to get pregnant (by their coach) and abort before the competition to rise their hormone levels, as it was thought to help their performance. Compare images of what female swimmers looked at the time vs what their look like now.

I don't think anyone who cares about human rights want to go back to that era. And

Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

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post #10

I geniunely think "anti doping" as a policy practice stands against everything that makes human as a speicies progress as a physcially being. 'Doping' should proudly inducted biomedical research, regulated and commercialized. Because anti-doping is fundamentally a flawed concept, it does not surprise it's application is marred with corruption, negligence and incompetence.

While physical activity is good, high level competitive sports takes a toll on the body. Adding doping into the mix means that you willingly encourage athletes to take even more risks with their health and life. You also create a much bigger opportunity for countries with loose human rights track records to abuse individual athletes they have control over, as having Olympic medalists is used as a political tool for politicians to improve their standing on the global stage, and to improve their image within their country.

You should read up on the history of doping, it's not pretty. An example I have in mind is female swimmers from USSR who were forced to get pregnant (by their coach) and abort before the competition to rise their hormone levels, as it was thought to help their performance. Compare images of what female swimmers looked at the time vs what their look like now.

I don't think anyone who cares about human rights want to go back to that era.

Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When they signed up to be professional riders with the UCI, they also signed up to be monitored by WADA. The rules are clear and can realistically not work any other way: the majority of violations are on strict liability, it is on the athlete to establish how the substance entered their body if they want to claim contaminant.

> The rules are clear and can realistically not work any other way Here's one way it can work differently: if someone has to spend any amount of money to clear their name, WADA (or whomever) should have to reimburse them. It's criminal that the author of this article drained her savings merely to prove that she did nothing wrong.

But she hasn't - WADA has appealed to CAS and will likely prevail. At which point she will get the 6 month or so backdated suspension she was always going to get in a case like this. The whole "spend all your money" part was entirely unnecessary.

Re: Fighting an anti-doping finding

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a comment: we need doping leagues. There should be athletes doped up on 10 different steroids looking like Arnie in the '80s.

Why. That sounds lame as hell

Because science. Imagine the lack of morals required to build truly scientifically the limits of human ability. Pushed beyond all peaks and limitations of natural ability
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