SVG Is The Future Of Application Development

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Post by astrec » Mon, Dec 22, 2008, 12:43 AM UTC

SVG Is The Future Of Application Development
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Re: SVG Is The Future Of Application Development

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Post by diN0bot » Mon, Dec 22, 2008, 3:27 AM UTC

worthwhile comment by jonathansnook: "The problem with the current state of HTML is that it’s elements for interactivity are quite limited without JavaScript. We have a limited set of form elements and then we fall back to the page request/response of old.

This is a problem that SVG does not solve. Sure, it might make certain presentation elements easier to create but that’s more of a CSS issue than an HTML issue.

This is something that HTML5 is trying to address with additional input types. We’ll still need JavaScript though to mimic more common complex desktop interactions like tree structures and tri-state inputs."

Re: SVG Is The Future Of Application Development

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Post by senthil_rajasek » Mon, Dec 22, 2008, 3:36 AM UTC

Considering the standard has been in development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svg) since 1999 (10 years ??) this is a sad state... the future of app development?

The article thankfully mentions IE exactly once. Microsoft does not officially support SVG, you need a plugin.

Even Chrome does not support the SVG 1.1 standard fully, as per the wikipedia article.

Browsers need a standard, natively supported graphics library sigh...

Re: SVG Is The Future Of Application Development

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Post by stuntgoat » Mon, Dec 22, 2008, 4:43 AM UTC

Check out the capabilities of the specification.

http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/

It appears I just discovered a valuable, free, resource with untapped potential.

Happy Hacking!

Re: SVG Is The Future Of Application Development

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Post by wizlb » Mon, Dec 22, 2008, 5:13 AM UTC

I'm looking forward doing more Silverlight + C# than anything else.

Re: SVG Is The Future Of Application Development

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Post by newt0311 » Mon, Dec 22, 2008, 5:41 AM UTC

diN0bot wrote: post #2

worthwhile comment by jonathansnook: "The problem with the current state of HTML is that it’s elements for interactivity are quite limited without JavaScript. We have a limited set of form elements and then we fall back to the page request/response of old. This is a problem that SVG does not solve. Sure, it might make certain presentation elements easier to create but that’s more of a CSS issue than an HTML issue. Th…

A more pressing problem with SVG is that it is like every other W3C standard: bloated, unwieldy, and obfuscated. Not to mention that SVG does not have all the capabilities of PS. PS is a complete turing complete language specialized for drawing vector graphics. SVG is more restricted and certainly slower to work with, not as well supported, and very very verbose.

Re: SVG Is The Future Of Application Development

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Post by Flemlord » Mon, Dec 22, 2008, 5:59 AM UTC

wizlb wrote: post #5

I'm looking forward doing more Silverlight + C# than anything else.

Ditto. And in the business world, like it or not, desktop applications are often still a factor. The promise of building Silverlight web pages in C# and being able to reuse them in a WPF desktop application is exciting.

Re: SVG Is The Future Of Application Development

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Post by teej » Mon, Dec 22, 2008, 7:19 AM UTC

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #3

Considering the standard has been in development ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svg ) since 1999 (10 years ??) this is a sad state... the future of app development? The article thankfully mentions IE exactly once. Microsoft does not officially support SVG, you need a plugin. Even Chrome does not support the SVG 1.1 standard fully, as per the wikipedia article. Browsers need a standard, natively supported graphics lib…

"Browsers need a standard, natively supported graphics library sigh..."

High performance as well. It's pointless if it only runs smoothly on your high-end Macbook.

Re: SVG Is The Future Of Application Development

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Post by volida » Mon, Dec 22, 2008, 8:39 AM UTC

if you need to support technology that brakes combaticility because you think thats the future and thats what stands between you and your productivity or success you may as well use flash which happens to be available today and cross platform.

Re: SVG Is The Future Of Application Development

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Post by jsrn » Mon, Dec 22, 2008, 8:48 AM UTC

newt0311 wrote: post #6

diN0bot wrote: post #2

worthwhile comment by jonathansnook: "The problem with the current state of HTML is that it’s elements for interactivity are quite limited without JavaScript. We have a limited set of form elements and then we fall back to the page request/response of old. This is a problem that SVG does not solve. Sure, it might make certain presentation elements easier to create but that’s more of a CSS issue than an HTML issue. Th…

A more pressing problem with SVG is that it is like every other W3C standard: bloated, unwieldy, and obfuscated. Not to mention that SVG does not have all the capabilities of PS. PS is a complete turing complete language specialized for drawing vector graphics. SVG is more restricted and certainly slower to work with, not as well supported, and very very verbose.

> [...] and very very verbose

it's possible to write compact SVG. For example, it has a simple and very compact sub-language for specifying paths (with one-letter commands): http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/paths.html#PathDataBNF

What do you mean by 'not as well supported'? SVG is supported by Firefox, Opera and Webkit (Safari / Chrome). I'm not aware of any Browser that supports Postscript.

As for turing complete: SVG is fully scriptable with Javascript, which is turing complete and built-in in every browser.