Comparison on efficiency is silly. People don’t buy full ton trucks with duallies because they get better gas mileage.
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#23What's the range of a Model X towing 10,000lbs? A mile before you break something?
A Prius might have massively more towing range than an F-350, assuming you're towing a tiny trailer.
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That's not how these calculations work at all. Weight (if it doesn't change the size or shape) really only has an effect on rolling resistance, which is a small portion of overall losses. The extra weight should make a marginal difference in efficiency. Just expect more tire wear.
Newton's laws of motion would like to have a talk with you about those statements. A heavier vehicle absolutely needs more energy than a lighter one when all other factors stay the same.
The majority of energy expenditure is not acceleration and deceleration (especially on an EV with regen braking). At moderate and high speeds wind resistance dominates. At slower speeds rolling resistance is a largish factor.
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#25Comparison on efficiency is silly. People don’t buy full ton trucks with duallies because they get better gas mileage.
Not when range is a concern -- efficiency directly speaks to range, and it's towing range which is the primary weakness of EV trucks. If you just wanted to haul heavy loads in the bed, I wouldn't necessarily think that an F-150 Lightning or Cyber Truck are all that inferior. (just too expensive)
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not how these calculations work at all. Weight (if it doesn't change the size or shape) really only has an effect on rolling resistance, which is a small portion of overall losses. The extra weight should make a marginal difference in efficiency. Just expect more tire wear.
Newton's laws of motion would like to have a talk with you about those statements. A heavier vehicle absolutely needs more energy than a lighter one when all other factors stay the same.
And what does Newton say about regenerative braking? Does the energy you put into the system just go puff?
I hate when people make smart-ass claims with surface level knowledge at best.
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The "truck" weighs around 20% more ( CT @ 6,000 lbs vs X @ 5000 lbs), so the larger battery pack effect is nullified and cancels out.
That's not how these calculations work at all. Weight (if it doesn't change the size or shape) really only has an effect on rolling resistance, which is a small portion of overall losses. The extra weight should make a marginal difference in efficiency. Just expect more tire wear.
There’s a 600ft climb involved too. It’s not an enormous difference, but lifting that extra 1200lbs still adds up to about 0.3 kWh.
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#28Comparison on efficiency is silly. People don’t buy full ton trucks with duallies because they get better gas mileage.
Yeah, they do. When towing a couple horses across state lines I don’t want to subject those poor animals to stopping every 90-100 miles for an hour to charge. I don’t even want to subject myself to that.
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#29Musk: "We dug our own grave with cybertruck" [0] [0] https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/10/elon-musk-talks-tesla-w...
that could mean anything, really
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#30What's the range of a Model X towing 10,000lbs? A mile before you break something? A Prius might have massively more towing range than an F-350, assuming you're towing a tiny trailer.
0 km, its twice the best tow rating of a model X and you'd likely lose your warranty if you tried to tow something that heavy.