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Re: Developer posts secret key on GitHub, loses $40K in 2 minutes

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An EMP taking out the entire world power grid would be a complete disaster for everyone. Goldbugs and people with cash in their mattresses included.

I don't disagree with you that it would be a disaster, I'm just saying that fundamentally crypto is not a store of value. But don't listen to me, I only deliberately burned my early Bitcoin after evaluating it on its merits, weeks after it came out. Nothing, repeat nothing, has ever moved the needle on my opinion of crypto, although I will say that cryptobros will not stop at anything to try and convince people that…

I agree that it is not a store of value, but if we agree on that then I would also ask if you think the current fiat system we have serves the purpose of serving as a store of value.

I think it doesn't do this as we have seen the value of gold shift so much over time.

If we look at Roman Empire during Augustus, your average denarius penny in the empire was worth about 10 hours of minimum wage. A denarius was about 1/10 of a troy ounce of silver, and you needed 25 of these to get an 8 gram gold coin, the aureus.

Going by today's standards, your typical 8 gram coin is worth $604.96 USD

If we go by the average minimum wage in the United states, 25 days at $72.5 USD/day for 10 hours of minimum wage, in order to compare to the Roman Empire during Augustus, pre-tax, the same coin was worth $1812.50 USD.

So to briefly summarize:

1 denarius penny = 1/10oz Silver = 10hrs minimum wage, 4 hours minimum wage today nets 10 times the Silver it did 2000 years ago. You can quickly see that if anything, on the basis of Silver alone, that our currency is worth about 23.7 times more than the currency of Rome ever was if we ignore taxes.

3-5% tax rate on total wealth was murder and why riots happened to begin with.

Then we look at the cost of a average small villa in that time period- 200,000 denarii.

You figure this means 200,000 days for your average agricultural worker at 1 denarii/day, but actually it's way more than that because there's the 3-5% wealth tax on them, plus the tax collector wages came from whatever they could extort on top of that.

200,000/365 = 548 years of payments only to a house at 1 denarii/day.

200,000/30 years= 6666.66 denarii/year

6666.66/270 (because I'm nice and assume we get days off in this time period (today)) = 24.69 denarii/day, or about 98.8% of an aureus per day, would be required to own a small villa on a 30 year mortgage during the Emperor Augustus roman empire, (excluding the extreme 3-5% annual total wealth tax).

I figure most people here would agree that even at minimum wage, a personal villa is much more accessible today. Even a $1,000,000 home on minimum wage with zero other expenses or taxes, working 10 hour days, 5 days a week, would basically pay it off on a 51 year mortgage at 1631.25/month.

I think that's why so many people here feel ripped off. Homes would be much more affordable if the loan terms were slightly longer, but there's a bunch of old people out there trying to min/max their investment based income before they die.

I don't see anything wrong with them wanting to do that, but I think it would be wise if consumers began to push for longer mortgages because as a function over time, while the dollar is still worth quite a bit, it is nonetheless losing value. Keeping your mortgage going means the bank gets less value out of the loan over time, assuming inflation remains static.

I know you didn't expect this reply but I enjoyed learning and making it. If you end up going back over it and have any corrections you'd like to make I'm all ears, but I'd agree. Crypto is a crappy place to have a store of value right now and arguably you'd be a fool to not have it invested in the stock market targeted index fund because that's simply how the world of finance works today.

It's not about what we can do in a day, it's about how we can leverage the income to get more done in a day, even if it's not being done by us directly. That's why investing in the stock market, in stocks you trust as a consumer, is so important to the success of capitalism long term.

Re: Developer posts secret key on GitHub, loses $40K in 2 minutes

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Some cryptocurrency isn't a safe store of value to begin with, so he was probably ready to lose that at any moment anyways. Worse way than most to lose it, but he doesn't sound too bummed out.

>Some cryptocurrency isn't a safe store of value to begin with... If I may, I would posit all crypto is not a safe store of value to begin with. An EMP taking out the entire world power grid would render crypto pretty useless almost immediately, while gold will just sit there. Even paper money is resistant to decentralized unwindings as they are physical and people are conditioned from birth to accept their value.

Yeah I would also add that in case the Sun goes supernova and the entire solar system gets obliterated, Bitcoin would probably crash to zero

Re: Developer posts secret key on GitHub, loses $40K in 2 minutes

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We have an end of the world scenario in this case, "money" in form of paper or metal won't have any value whatsoever then. Money in itself only has value if people trust the value of the system, which is given for example in Bitcoin.

>people trust the value of the system, which is given for example in Bitcoin. It is in fact not a given(I for one do not trust the value of bitcoin or other cryptos, and I know more people who don't believe crypto has any value than those who do), and your comment is an example of attempting to coerce public opinions and beliefs in such a way as to promote crypto.

I could argue that you're doing the exact same thing to promote gold. Money has close to zero intrisic value, it's just a social construct.

Oh, and please don't try to argue about the value of gold coming from its physical properties

Re: Developer posts secret key on GitHub, loses $40K in 2 minutes

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> Has it died? Yes. All the web3 influencers are on AI now.

Doesn't matter, both AI and web3 mean "nvidia moneyprinter go brrrr".

I feel like as a long term holder of Nvidia I have enjoyed their business decisions thoroughly enough to say I wouldn't be disappointed if it was memed enough that one day they see this Nvidia logo as some sort of inherited "Eye of Horus" god clan of mathematics and machinery.

Assuming we have an ice age because let's be real that's the best way to make sure everything plastic or nonmetal stays preserved.... Ice age for most things, but we leave the technology buried near an area with high probability of pyroclastic flow.

That, or we get real and we begin leaving time capsules with mathematical proofs and scientific discoveries, maps, etc, on the moon and other planets.

Re: Developer posts secret key on GitHub, loses $40K in 2 minutes

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I worked on Truffle and Ganache (RIP), the first Ethereum development toolchain. We had a default list of accounts and private keys on start up that everyone used, but devs kept using those keys on Mainnet and immediately loading their funds, despite the warning in docs and the CLI ourput. We have had threats from devs who thought we were running scripts to drain the accounts we gave them. So we switched to a randomized mnemonic by default.

So when competitors, like hardhat and foundry, popped up what did they do? Used default shared accounts and keys. We reached out to let them know that users will lose funds, but all they did was add a warning in the CLI output and in docs. Devs still regularly lose funds: https://etherscan.io/address/0xf39fd6e51aad88f6f4ce6ab882727...

Re: Developer posts secret key on GitHub, loses $40K in 2 minutes

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Genuine question here: isn’t it a standard security practice to avoid committing keys (or other secrets) to repos? Edit: and what’s the best practice here? Is it using a key management system of some sort? (I’m thinking of scenarios where you might need to deploy your code + secrets on a remote server, say to authenticate with a third party API)

> Genuine question here: isn’t it a standard security practice to avoid committing keys (or other secrets) to repos? When you deal with high value amount of cryptocurrencies, you have a hardware wallet so things like these are not even possible in the first place, as the keys are safely stored in the hardware. Storing anything on disk (unencrypted at that) that corresponds to $40K is basically begging to be stolen fr…

Someone should come up with a paper-based version of hardware wallets that are easy to exchange.

Re: Developer posts secret key on GitHub, loses $40K in 2 minutes

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But but but Crypto will change the world?! And everyone should have their private wallet? And who cares about recovering your funds because everyone of us will be handling private data / secrets (like passwords or keys) perfectly, always!111 Cryptobros telling you never to use an exchange due to FTX and other examples, also its super easy to use... What stupidity

> What stupidity

You referring to your comments?

Re: Developer posts secret key on GitHub, loses $40K in 2 minutes

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It is a sad day when someone loses imaginary fiat money tokens to someone lower on a Ponzi scheme.

https://git-scm.com/docs/gitignore

And I see most professional senior devs training juniors to be more helpful... It is always a blessing to see that perpetual look of terror subside when people finally understand what they should be doing.

A company attrition rate is a reflection of hiring, training, and project management skills. If you have an IT culture problem, than it will manifest in the high-stress areas first. i.e. you are likely not going to survive as a business beyond 3 years.

Happy investing, and I hope someone returns his gambling chips. =)

Re: Developer posts secret key on GitHub, loses $40K in 2 minutes

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But but but Crypto will change the world?! And everyone should have their private wallet? And who cares about recovering your funds because everyone of us will be handling private data / secrets (like passwords or keys) perfectly, always!111 Cryptobros telling you never to use an exchange due to FTX and other examples, also its super easy to use... What stupidity

> What stupidity You referring to your comments?

No why? Are you not able to read arguments and argue against them instead of just 'whatever your answer is'?
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