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Re: Super Heavy has splashed down in The Gulf of Mexico

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Honest question, did they sink the remaining fuel? Or did they just burnt all remaining fuel whilst hovering? I would imagine that's pretty toxic. Edit: Thanks for the answers!

I'm just happy so many people got to show off their knowledge of rocket fuel in response to this comment

Obligatory link to Ignition!

https://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/ignition.pd...

If you’re reading this thread and haven’t read the book, stop immediately and open the pdf.

Re: Super Heavy has splashed down in The Gulf of Mexico

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> where one side intends to conquer a continent or the world I believe this view indicates you may have drunk a bit too much of the kool aid. Germany had zero ability to hold all of Europe longer term, let alone the entire world. This is a comic book tier view. Any end to the war would have had concessions and land transfers but there is no precedent to suggest that even France would have remained under Germany longe…

> Western Poland and bits of other nations, sure You say that as if it is meaningless. How about just not invading your neighbors?

“The entire world” down to “half of Poland” may be the theoretically largest goalpost move possible (on Earth, anyway).

Re: Super Heavy has splashed down in The Gulf of Mexico

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Mayba a dumb idea, but given we have regenerative braking on cars, why not harness the heat energy produced while landing to store and/or use the energy generated for whatever mechanism that might help counter the heat.

Have you tried to use the steam heat from boiling a pot of water to operate a turbine to cool down the pot of water?

Re: Super Heavy has splashed down in The Gulf of Mexico

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While Britain's decision to enter World War I was indeed triggered by Germany's invasion of Belgium, it's important to consider the broader context. In the years leading up to the war, Britain had engaged in a naval arms race with Germany, driven by fears of Germany's growing military and economic power. British leaders, including Foreign Secretary Sir Edward Grey and First Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill, vi…

There’s a much simpler theory of the war, which is that it was Germany that was worried about a foreign rival catching up to them—Russia—which is why Germany pushed for the war to start. It’s interesting to see this theory projected onto the British, but there’s a fatal flaw with this projection. The first declaration of war was by Austria-Hungary against Serbia. Britain was not in a position to manipulate the situat…

> The 99 years between the Napoleonic and First World Wars were the most peaceful 99 years of European history since at least the Roman Empire;

You make a good point about the "Long Peace" between the Napoleonic Wars and World War I. While there were indeed several conflicts during this period, they were generally shorter and more localized. The Revolutions of 1848, which affected many European countries. The Russo-Turkish War (1877-1878) The Serbo-Bulgarian War (1885) The Greco-Turkish War (1897) And there are others that I missed

> Germany wanted war with Russia and was confident they could also afford war with France (having kicked their asses in 1870 already) but would have really preferred to keep Britain out of it.

Yes I also agree however had Britain remained neutral and not created alliances that it knew would put it in conflict with Germany is it possible that the Germany vs. Russia conflict might have remained a regional war (like others I mentioned above) and so continuing the so called “long peace”? Instead there was an escalation to a global conflict. So what motivated Britain to make these alliances that caused the escalation? Is there a better explanation than “Thucydides Trap”? (See my sibling post about this.)

“Thucydides Trap" suggests that when a rising power threatens to displace an existing great power, it often leads to war. Russia, Britain, and Germany found themselves in this predicament before World War 1, with each nation acting rationally to protect its own interests. However, the complex web of alliances and the fear of losing power ultimately led to a global conflict that no one truly desired.

Re: Super Heavy has splashed down in The Gulf of Mexico

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In fact, they did. Being a sailor was about the most dangerous profession that you could choose, including the military. Until today, some jobs at sea are pretty dangerous. Being a fisherman in Alaskan waters is much more risky than being an (American, not Russian) soldier. People still do it. Which convinces me that people will risk their lives going to Mars, and more than a few of them. Some people are just built t…

People risk their lives for high-risk, high-reward jobs. They don't risk their lives for high-risk, no-Reward explorations.

Do you believe that no one feels highly rewarded by exploring wilderness?

Generations of explorers, many of whom lost their lives for no gain, indicate otherwise.

Let us make a thought experiment. Let's say that Musk, tomorrow, declares "we are now creating a list of future Mars colonists, reasonably healthy individuals under 70 can apply from anywhere in the world, please send us your resumes".

Would they get fewer than 10 million applicants? I'd rather guess 50 million or so. Of course, some of those are going to get cold feet the moment they receive their one-way flight ticket in mail, but quite a few won't.

By your hypothesis, there would be approximately zero applicants. I don't believe that.

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> Allies did not initiate war and did not want war. An argument made that WW2 was continuation of WW1 and that WW1 was wanted by British leadership who were locked in an arms race with Germany that they could not sustain much longer and wanted a war with Germany while they were ahead so the assassination that triggered WW1 was the pretext tobstart WW1. If you disagree please try to answer why leaders are regularly as…

Britain was absolutely not prepared for war at the start of WWII. If they had lost the Battle of Britain it is unlikely they would have survived a land invasion.

WWI, not WWII. Look again at my words and at the other replies.

Re: Super Heavy has splashed down in The Gulf of Mexico

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The 4th Starship test flight was absolutely great test, which really pushed the state of the art - both in general (after all, Starship 2nd stage is 1.5-2 times heavier - when empty - than a Space Shuttle returning from orbit) and specifically for developing the Starship as a robust launch system. Regarding return from orbital (and above) velocities - there was a flight ( https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/irdt-freg…

Something like this is what I've been thinking about post flight. In the heat of the moment ;), I was thinking about what SpaceX was learning about the ship's hot spots.

After more reflection, I realized that the bigger picture is learning about how quickly it decelerates and how quickly it heats up. With that data, they can design a different reentry profile. E.g. maybe it's better to "plunge" to lower altitudes and experience higher peak pressure for a shorter duration or maybe it's better to have a very gentle but slow reentry to minimize peak pressure. After seeing how robust the ship is (and knowing SpaceX :P), I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to go for a higher peak pressure/temp.

A better reentry profile is like massless heat shielding!

Maybe more challenging than the profile or optimizing the heat shield though: how are they going to reject heat from the flap joint?

Maybe relocating the flaps leeward, like Elon's been saying for a while, will do the trick

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Getting it human rated is likely much harder than reusing the upper stage a couple of times. The difficulty is that Starship has 1) no launch abort system, and 2) the belly flop landing is much more dangerous than conventional and proven capsule based landing. To get the system human rated, they may have to fly tens or even hundreds of flawless cargo missions first.

Getting human rated for launching seems feasible. Getting it human rated for landing on Earth seems infeasible.

Absolute worst case, Starship delivers a couple of Dragon capsules to LEO for crew transfer and return

Re: Super Heavy has splashed down in The Gulf of Mexico

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People risk their lives for high-risk, high-reward jobs. They don't risk their lives for high-risk, no-Reward explorations.

Do you believe that no one feels highly rewarded by exploring wilderness? Generations of explorers, many of whom lost their lives for no gain, indicate otherwise. Let us make a thought experiment. Let's say that Musk, tomorrow, declares "we are now creating a list of future Mars colonists, reasonably healthy individuals under 70 can apply from anywhere in the world, please send us your resumes". Would they get fewer…

I guess there'd still be. Finding one that's also competent enough to be trusted to lead the mission will be quite hard tho.
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