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Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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Are any of these actually cathedrals? I see some monasteries and sacred sites, I don't see any cathedrals in that list. The difference is that 7 cathedrals, all named after St. Michael, found in a basically straight line would certainly not be a coincidence. It would be like there being 7 Google complexes in a straight line spread around the world: something's going on here. But 7 random religious sites named after o…

This is an interesting point. Wikipedia's page on St. Michael's Sword describes it as "monasteries and other sacred sites" and also notes that they are also "almost all located on prominent hilltops". Only four of the seven locations show up on Wikipedia's list of "churches dedicated to Saint Michael" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_(archangel)#Churches_d... ). Also worth noting: "[Michael's] churches were of…

You can’t just rip off Tim Powers and Alan Moore like that.

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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That's not necessarily true. I recently read Barnabas Calder's Architecture: From Prehistory to Climate Emergency which contains several mentions of the incredible detail architects put into their work- from ancient Greece through mediaeval cathedrals. Details and design which would not have been noticed by any eye but an expert's. I'll try to look up an exact quote later. But the gist of several passages was that th…

You may perhaps be interested in these two documentaries about the geometric principles that were fundamental to medieval town planning: "Die Entdeckung der mittelalterlichen Stadtplanung" (2004): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZzEzhIGnwM "Mittelalterliche Baukunst – Schönheit ist planbar" (2009) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQcKOkbagDc Both documentaries are in German, but are well worth watching, even if the a…

Interesting! I've added them to my queue, thanks :)

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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More interesting to me here is the history of the "line". Is this a medieval idea or a modern one? Wikipedia is surprisingly unhelpful. "According to legend", yeah ok. Who first wrote about this? Who picked those seven sites? The earliest source mentioned is from 1969, and it's not even about this particular line. There's no shortage of writing about esoteric Christian topics throughout the centuries, but this one se…

I had the same question and was not able to find much concrete, but this blog post [1] claims that it was first mentioned in the '70s by some archeologist type.

[1]: https://www.philipkosloski.com/who-discovered-the-sword-of-s...

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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> are associated with an appearance of the Burger King himself explicitly asking for a shrine in the location ...According to the guy trying to sell you a big mac or whatever they are called there.

Whoppers. And yes, they are trying to sell you a whopper of a tale.

Judging from the ingredients, the Big King is more comparable.

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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post #155

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> are associated with an appearance of the Burger King himself explicitly asking for a shrine in the location ...According to the guy trying to sell you a big mac or whatever they are called there.

Whoppers. And yes, they are trying to sell you a whopper of a tale.

Your information is out of date. EU recently reaffirmed the Irish ruling, so we can expect this to spread:

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/food-and-drink/lik...

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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A cathedral has nothing to do with size of the church. If a church has a bishop resides, it's a cathedral.

Yes, but a bishop is not ever going to (and could not ever) reside at a monastery because it would be incompatible with their job as a bishop to do what monks do (retire to a life of prayer and contemplation). A bishop is the boss of all the diocesan priests, so needs to be a secular priest not a religious. Source: not religious at all but my brother is a dominican friar so has explained this stuff to me. Also confir…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_abbey

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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> Certainly 7 cathedrals are too many to be a coincidence With the number of cathedrals in Europe I don't really think this is supported.

For what it's worth (not much), the line can be extended with similar error bars to include: - St Michael's Church in Bengaluru, India - Gereja Katolik Santo Mikael in Surabaya, Indonesia - St Michael's Catholic Church in Kilcoy, Australia - St Michael's Church in Auckland, New Zealand Perhaps the real data challenge here is to find the straight line with the most St Michael'ses globally.

Sounds like the real challenge is to circle the world without getting too close to anything named after some Michael

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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Might the fish have anything to do with precession of the equinoxes into Pisces? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38761574

No, “fish” in Greek is ιχθυς, which was used as an acrostic for Iesous Christos Theou Huios Soter, Jesus Christ, Son of God, savior. I vaguely recall seeing somewhere that during the persecutions, one Christian would draw one line of the two-line symbol as a shibboleth for another to complete to show that they too were Christian.

As far as I can tell from a cursory search, our evidence for ιχθυς dates from II and later, which would indeed put it firmly in a "fisher of men" or "loaves and fishes" interpretation and not an astrological one. Thanks!
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