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Re: Don't be terrified of Pale Fire

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The original alt-tab is flipping between pointer fingers in a book.

The original dual screens is two copies. Seriously though, there is greater cognitive overhead in alt-tab than side-by-side

There is less muscle movement in the neck, and therefore less strain, with alt-tab.

Re: Don't be terrified of Pale Fire

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Other books I know of that play with part or all of the text itself being an artifact of the fiction: - The Third Policeman , Flann O’Brian. Fictional scholar of a fictional esoteric philosopher weaves his commentary on same philosopher into an account of his… journey. - If on a Winter’s Night a Traveler , Italo Calvino. You(!) embark on an adventure to find the book you believed you purchased, which was If on a Wint…

Other good book series that put the book into the story, by one of my favorite authors, Gene Wolfe: The Book of the New Sun Soldier of the mist In both, the author presents himself as a translator for a text he came across which was written by the main character of the story. In the first, the text came from the distant future. In the second, ancient Greece. They are both incredible.

Book of the New/Long/Short Sun were absolute masterpieces at telling a story within a world where the books and authors themselves exist.

Gene Wolfe really outdid himself, it's always incredible to me to reread the series and find that the books are written in a way that's not only engaging and interesting on a first read through, but equally captivating and enjoyable in new ways when you reread them and appreciate all the subtleties.

Re: Don't be terrified of Pale Fire

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If you are going to read Pale Fire, get it on paper. I tried to read it on my Kindle and the UI is not up to task of lots of flipping back and forth between the poem and the prose sections.

This is also true of _Infinite Jest_, for the same reason. I read both on paper, using two bookmarks.

I read Infinite Jest on my Kindle without any problems. So long as the end notes are linked, it works pretty well. If I had a copy of Pale Fire where the poem line references were linked, it would probably be fine too.

Re: Don't be terrified of Pale Fire

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Some readers say that paper sucks too. The right scheme is to get two copies that advance together. So they could be either Kindle or paper or a mixture.

Who says that paper sucks? I've never met such a reader, and there are many readers among my friends and family. What people who adopted e-readers often say is that e-readers can be more convenient and take less space. But nobody says "paper sucks".

Keyword search is a big win for eReaders. (This is a bit ironic in a discussion of _Pale Fire_ where the trad index is a big part of the game.)

When you mix in the weight and the other issues with paper, it's not just inconvenient.

I'm happy to say that compared to eReaders, paper sucks. I just don't buy paper copies any more -- and I can access any new ebook in my library from any vacation hammock.

Re: Don't be terrified of Pale Fire

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I made no such universal statement. Some people enjoy hard things simply because they are hard. My claim is that this can also result in people thinking some literature is better than it is, because people draw satisfaction from the effort itself.

Okay, I got that. The point you might be missing is that some people might enjoy hard things not only because they are hard, but because only through their laborious efforts is the true brilliance of the work revealed.

For me it's not even that, it's simply that The Brothers Karamazov and other novels like it have historicity and depth to them in a way that modern-style light popcorn novels never do. The hardness therefore is more incidental than the means to an end in itself.

And for what it's worth, there's plenty of modern-style "hard" novels that I've enjoyed immensely as well, including House of Leaves, Infinite Jest, Shogun, The Pillars of the Earth, and [pick any Neal Stephenson novel published this millennium].

Re: Don't be terrified of Pale Fire

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I watched it. Thank you for the recommendation. Sounds absolutely fascinating. I just started the second Hyperion book, but I might have to put it down to prioritize this. It does seem like somewhat of an investment though; as if reading it in bed might not be the most optimal way to enjoy the experience. It might require some more dedicated reading sessions from what I'm seeing in the other threads.

well putting down Fall of Hyperion would also be a mistake.

Thanks for your recommendation. I ended up not putting it down because of this comment. :)
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