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No, it’s not. Living where you want, for free, is not a right.
Why it's not immoral? can you elaborate?
Property rights are human rights.
Squatting in Spain: Understanding Spain's "okupas" problem
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Re: Squatting in Spain: Understanding Spain's "okupas" problem
#362I have family who let out property in Spain. They, along with other people in a similar position to them, have all suddenly become experts in smart home tech. They have video doorbells, motion sensors, door sensors, etc. All so that they can be alerted to any activity immediately, allowing them to act within the exceptionally short eviction window. The reality on the ground is that these ridiculous policies are widel…
I don't agree. It's a non-existing problem that the media insists us to convince otherwise, just to force us to pay for useless and absurdly expensive monthly services.
Poor people being afraid of other poor people, a classic.
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Squatting is a problem, period. Doesn’t matter if the house is empty or not.
It depends on the actual numbers, which usually don't support the fear coming from the media.
Absolutely. From the article:
Media reports have been instrumental in shaping the narrative around squatting, with stories of 'okupas' sometimes being sensationalised to highlight conflicts and drama.
This is the approach of the class privileged enough to own the media (literally or figuratively): shape, to their favor, the public's opinion & perspective of an issue that affects most people relatively little, if at all, via sensational media.
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#364I see a lot of people here justifying the occupation of bank-owned homes as if that is okay. I hope you never have to experience living next to squatters, as among other things, you might end up paying for their exaggeratedly high utilities.
Behind a bank-owned home there's always a tragedy, never a trickery.
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And what happens when people leave the rental market? Fewer apartments for rent. And what happens to rental prices when there's a scarcity of apartments to rent? Prices go up.
Yes, exactly. This is what I was getting at!
You think a lot of Spaniards want higher rental prices?
Edit: ah, sorry I had mixed you up with the previous commenter.
Re: Squatting in Spain: Understanding Spain's "okupas" problem
#366Squatters cannot break into your home and take residence. They can only enter if you leave a window or door open for them to enter. If they break-in that is a criminal offence and the police will treat it as a buglary and arrest those in the property. I used to squat here on Airstrip One in my twenties when I was homeless. We did not squat in homes where people lived, We squatted in empty properties. The utilities co…
I completely agree.
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Buying a house and purposefully leaving it empty is immoral, sqatting or not.
This is absurd. Is your car sitting in your driveway right now? Someone else could be driving it, it's immoral that you don't leave the keys sitting on the roof. Is your bed or couch empty right now? Someone else could be sleeping there right now. Do you have money in your checking account? Someone else could be buying the things they need with that money, you should put the cash outside for them to take. A house sit…
I mean, the massive infrastructure waste that exists to accomodate unproductive cars is a real point that degrades where we live.
So much space in towns dedicated to storing cars while they're not being used, taking space away from where housing can be built. As a non-american, I believe that parking lots are immoral as well :)
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> I bet you'd see something wrong if I went into your wallet and took some cash, after all you're not using it right now This happens all the time, it's called taxes
No, they're not. They're called "Pay for the costs of living in society. You're welcome."
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#369Earlier quoted context omitted.
Buying a house and purposefully leaving it empty is immoral, sqatting or not.
This is not correct; purchasing real estate is obviously morally neutral.
Purchasing housing can be morrally neutral.
What you do with it (or, don't do with it) is not morally neutral. I believe that hoarding it, preventing others from living in or purchasing it, is immoral.
Re: Squatting in Spain: Understanding Spain's "okupas" problem
#370Can we establish that the squatters are doing this out of economic necessity and not to "profit" (e.g can't afford to rent or own someplace else)? I imagine so as living with no security in an abandoned building with no utilities seems pretty desperate, sub-optimal and sad. If we can then realistically the root cause to this is lack of housing supply. "Just build more f**ing houses" would fix this no?
Spanish here. I've been to many homes occupied by squatters due to the nature of my voluntary service for quite some years. The people you seem to be describing just applies for a tiny proportion of the actual landscape of squatting in Spain. So your sentence is partly true, but nowadays as the situation becomes chronic, most people just do it because it is convenient for them Believe me when I say that I've been tas…
Spanish here too. Good luck trying to convince us beggars are wealthy. I am speechless now.
Blaming the poor seems to be on the rise.