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Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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When I was a kid (11/12 or so) I was fascinated by finding alignments between ancient things in the landscape (of which there are many here in Scotland!) - eventually I came to the realisation that given the scale of the maps I was looking at (1:25,000) that you can find loads of meaningless alignments if you look hard enough...

It's a type of apophenia.

More like the garden of forking paths, the look-elsewhere effect and data dredging.

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

#52

Cathedrals are the highest tier of vanity projects of one of the most powerful institutions in written history. It's little surprise that the makers knew the top three most import factors for real estate value: location, location, location. Are they pointing to anything though?

Cathedrals were erected by the townships and were indeed a major economic investment. They generally payed off well, giving raise to tourism (then known as pilgrimage) and elevating the status of the city, both with considerable effects on commerce. If you were a major town or city, or aspired to become one, you definitively wanted to build a cathedral. (And, as already pointed out by several other comments, none of…

> and elevating the status of the city

Indeed, having a cathedral is a thing that can define a settlement as "a city".

Source: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/what-makes-a-city/

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't the first point have a probability of 1? It's the subsequent ones that become less and less likely.

Maybe my question was not right then. But my question was how likely is it that 7 randomly chosen points fall within a given 50 km band across europe. Because I want to test the hypotheses that the 7 cathedrals fall randomly in line that we see. And that one random point falls in that band is not 1.

It's pretty easy to Monte Carlo, even if you can't get there analytically.

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't the first point have a probability of 1? It's the subsequent ones that become less and less likely.

Maybe my question was not right then. But my question was how likely is it that 7 randomly chosen points fall within a given 50 km band across europe. Because I want to test the hypotheses that the 7 cathedrals fall randomly in line that we see. And that one random point falls in that band is not 1.

Yes, but I suppose even if you have 7 that line up, they may not fall in your band.

To remove that constraint, so it's just any band, I think it should be more like: given a cathedral is in a particular place, how likely is it that six other cathedrals fall in a 50km wide band aross Europe.

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

#56

Cathedrals are the highest tier of vanity projects of one of the most powerful institutions in written history. It's little surprise that the makers knew the top three most import factors for real estate value: location, location, location. Are they pointing to anything though?

At its core a cathedral is just a church where the cathedra (the "throne" of a bishop) stands. Can be any size, take a look at Nin, Croatia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Cross,_Nin

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

#57
I'm not a civil engineer so I don't know for sure, but I'd guess you can't just throw a cathedral up just anywhere you want. The land has to be the right composition, you need to have good enough transport links to get the raw materials to where you're building it, you need local talent to actually build it, it can't be in the sea.

It'd be surprising if these buildings were exactly aligned. Presumably people could easily say that the respective diocese(s) are aligned though.

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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post #47

When I was a kid (11/12 or so) I was fascinated by finding alignments between ancient things in the landscape (of which there are many here in Scotland!) - eventually I came to the realisation that given the scale of the maps I was looking at (1:25,000) that you can find loads of meaningless alignments if you look hard enough...

The Great Glen Fault is beautifully straight line across Scotland. Once seen it can't really be unseen.

My own favourite is the Highland Boundary Fault - the northern edge of the rift valley that is central Scotland:

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Boundary_Fault

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a type of apophenia.

More like the garden of forking paths, the look-elsewhere effect and data dredging.

As opposed to the forking of garden paths, the whereelse-look effect, and dreading dating
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