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Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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Are they aligned because they are famous, or are they famous because they are aligned? Or are they aligned because if I pick 7 famous monuments aligned I can draw a line, look over my shoulder and say "ho look, if we draw a line it match!" From wikipedia, the list of St Michael churches: St. Michael's Church (disambiguation) Parroquia de San Miguel Arcángel (es), San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato Mexico World Heritag…

See: ley lines

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_line?wprov=sfla1

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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But only 7 of those are Cathedrals, and only those are aligned.

I think none of them are cathedrals. There's a couple islands, a mount, a shrine, a monastery, a temple...

The fact that St Michael's Mount is on this line is enough to show that it is nonsense. It's an unbelievably lovely place and it was a site for pilgrims, but its ecclesiastical connection to St Michael is relatively weedy; a brief period of time.

It's far more interesting to me that Perkin Warbeck occupied it!

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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But only 7 of those are Cathedrals, and only those are aligned.

I think none of them are cathedrals. There's a couple islands, a mount, a shrine, a monastery, a temple...

Yup... actually the linked Wikipedia page doesn't use the word "cathedrals", but they are remarkable in other ways (long history, pilgrimage sites etc.). Ok, Skellig Michael is now remembered mainly for being Luke Skywalker's island in Star Wars VII/VIII, but still...

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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I asked GPT-4. It did the following calculation (summarized): Let's consider Europe as roughly a 10 million square km area. The probability of a single point falling within a 50 km wide band (assuming the band runs the full length of Europe) is about 0.01581 (1.581%). The probability of seven points aligning within a 50 km wide band across Europe is approximately: 10^-14

Doesn't the first point have a probability of 1? It's the subsequent ones that become less and less likely.

Maybe my question was not right then. But my question was how likely is it that 7 randomly chosen points fall within a given 50 km band across europe. Because I want to test the hypotheses that the 7 cathedrals fall randomly in line that we see. And that one random point falls in that band is not 1.

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

#47

When I was a kid (11/12 or so) I was fascinated by finding alignments between ancient things in the landscape (of which there are many here in Scotland!) - eventually I came to the realisation that given the scale of the maps I was looking at (1:25,000) that you can find loads of meaningless alignments if you look hard enough...

The Great Glen Fault is beautifully straight line across Scotland. Once seen it can't really be unseen.

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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When I was a kid (11/12 or so) I was fascinated by finding alignments between ancient things in the landscape (of which there are many here in Scotland!) - eventually I came to the realisation that given the scale of the maps I was looking at (1:25,000) that you can find loads of meaningless alignments if you look hard enough...

It's a type of apophenia.

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

#49

When I was a kid (11/12 or so) I was fascinated by finding alignments between ancient things in the landscape (of which there are many here in Scotland!) - eventually I came to the realisation that given the scale of the maps I was looking at (1:25,000) that you can find loads of meaningless alignments if you look hard enough...

The Ancient Aliens discovered the same laws of engineering:

5. (Miller's Law) Three points determine a curve.

6. (Mar's Law) Everything is linear if plotted log-log with a fat magic marker.

https://spacecraft.ssl.umd.edu/akins_laws.html

Re: Saint Michael Sword: Are the cathedrals really on a straight line?

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Exactly. I think I'm more annoyed at this point with the myth of the ignorant Medievals than I am with the myth of the flat earth itself. Even knowing the earth is round, if I were going to put things in a "straight line" geographically, I'd do it with the reference most people would actually use and see: a 2D map.

I'd say the bigger question is whether or not the projection used at the time of design was one that would show the straight line. The Mercator projection was first invented in 1569 [1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercator_projection

This has to be the core of it. If the underlying question is "was this alignment intentional" then you could start by asking whether there are extant maps with better cathedral alignment than Mercator.

These places are old. Skellig Michael goes back past 823AD, Mont-Saint-Michel is about the same sort of age, and the Sanctuary of Monte Sant'Angelo goes back to 490AD(ish). San Michele Arcangelo is on top of a pre-Christian pagan temple. Stella Maris is on an Old Testament Biblical site. None of them is less than a thousand years old.

The bar for finding a map that happens to align, and then explaining how it was made, is not a low one.

There is a projection that might fit, though: Plate Carrée is definitely old enough, and a brief visual sanity check doesn't make it look totally off.

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