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Photoshop ToS grants Adobe access to user projects for 'content moderation'

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Re: Photoshop ToS grants Adobe access to user projects for 'content moderation'

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> Haven't had any problems so far. That you know of. For all you know you could be infected and part of a botnet. Viruses don't open a big popup saying "haha you've been hacked!". This line of thinking is extremely common and absolutely nonsensical. The point of a virus is to remain undetected.

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Re: Photoshop ToS grants Adobe access to user projects for 'content moderation'

#44
I remember a number of years ago getting a cheap 1-year Lightroom susbscription as part of a promo.

Got it installed, loaded up a few photos. Then went back to the directory to load the photos in a different program for comparison.

The photos were deleted from my hard drive!

They were loaded into Lightroom's cloud service, and without my knowledge or permission (and I was using the just-installed defaults) it had deleted those files I had touched with Lightroom and "helpfully" uploaded them.

I uninstalled Lightroom within the hour.

Re: Photoshop ToS grants Adobe access to user projects for 'content moderation'

#45

I remember a number of years ago getting a cheap 1-year Lightroom susbscription as part of a promo. Got it installed, loaded up a few photos. Then went back to the directory to load the photos in a different program for comparison. The photos were deleted from my hard drive! They were loaded into Lightroom's cloud service, and without my knowledge or permission (and I was using the just-installed defaults) it had del…

Ah, the new Lightroom CC! I was a happy, delighted, enthusiastic Lightroom user from the moment it originally came out and threw Aperture into the bin where it belongs. Lightroom was fast, brilliant to use, a fabulous wrapper around ACR and managed all the photo files perfectly.

It was, to me, as perfect a piece of consumer software that has ever existed.

The moment CC turned up, not only was it a cut-down version in terms of features, but the file management side was gone too, and this whole cloud functionality took over. A complete workflow change.

The main benefit that I found, ok, the only benefit, was that I was able to easily create web galleries for client approval etc. Everything else was gone. Lightroom Classic came back, kind of, but the direction of travel was fixed.

It took me years and years to finally get close to that one-stop-shop workflow, using Photo Mechanic and Capture One, both of which have gone subscription-based and offering close to zero value in return.

My strategy now, I shit you not, is to never ever perform a major upgrade on this Mac and hold out until all the root SSL certificates expire with my current setup.

We used to have such stable computing environments and now everything is a cloud-connected, exposed and defenceless security shitshow.

Re: Photoshop ToS grants Adobe access to user projects for 'content moderation'

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Does this only relate to things you put into their cloud, or does Photoshop now upload your offline files to Adobe servers as well? By the way, it's always morally correct to pirate Adobe software for personal use. Which also allows you to fully firewall it because it no longer needs to talk to the activation server.

By pirating, you mean running modified binaries from unknown sources? Morals aside, how is that safe, secure, or even convenient?

I agree with you, but on a practical level, private trackers are moderated, and so, reasonably safe and secure. Convenience is case by case. Often, the official stuff puts up such a fuss that the pirated copy is more convenient to use.

Re: Photoshop ToS grants Adobe access to user projects for 'content moderation'

#47
Even if this is not what Adobe are doing, the author of the tweet is not incorrect to make such an interpretation from the terms.

Now would be a good time for Adobe to do away with vague "catch all" language, because we now live in an era where user data is being swept up for AI model generation and governments are leaning heavily into tech companies for policing.

However to play the devil's advocate we can see how these terms have come about without rounding up to tweeter's interpretation.

Note: There is also good reasoning to believe this interpretation because using software that collects data indiscriminately would significantly impact the ability of Adobe's large customers to use their software. Since service agreements and various compliance standards forbid as such.

First up are Adobe's online terms that relate to CSAM, abiding by subpoenas, security, and feedback/bug support. Those are all pretty standard for hosted services. So while some may not like that, this is a "nothing to see here" clause.

However the "gotcha" for users comes about because a lot of Adobe's features rely on their cloud infrastructure which they may use unintentionally. This extends beyond using their cloud storage allowance or the Behance social network. Here are some examples:

- Generative AI: in & out painting will send image data to Adobe for matching.

- Farm rendering: Some apps, such as Dimension, feature off-site processing options. These of course mean that your content, textures, logos, etc are then on Adobe's servers for processing.

- Forms dissemination: Hosting forms means that Adobe will have not just your content, but also that of people that fill out the form.

- Review features: Review features are all performed through the cloud.

- Moving documents between devices: Using the app's built into tools to move a document/graphic between devices is performed via the cloud.

There are many more scenarios, but I've tried to choose a range to demonstrate variety, and how that extends beyond actions where the user is deliberately using online storage.

The next part of Adobe's terms is noting that they don't specifically call out online versus offline processing, rather they use the terms "Services" and "Products". This would appear to be explainable as Adobe's apps include algorithms that enforce certain types of document security, such as anti-counterfeiting measures, watermarking, Content Credentials and copyright embedding. The vague language of this clause is the source of the problem, as Adobe don't demarcate where and why the processing is performed.

So in summary the overly vague language can be chalked up to legal brevity, but in this era that is insufficient for peace of mind.

Re: Photoshop ToS grants Adobe access to user projects for 'content moderation'

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Does this only relate to things you put into their cloud, or does Photoshop now upload your offline files to Adobe servers as well? By the way, it's always morally correct to pirate Adobe software for personal use. Which also allows you to fully firewall it because it no longer needs to talk to the activation server.

By pirating, you mean running modified binaries from unknown sources? Morals aside, how is that safe, secure, or even convenient?

No, from known sources.

Re: Photoshop ToS grants Adobe access to user projects for 'content moderation'

#49

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> The other good, light, quick, and easy-to-use alternative is Pixelmator Pro Unless you want, e.g., a destructive crop[0] which they have been not adding for at least 4 years and counting. Since my graphic work generally involves cropping, that kinda rules out Pixelmator Pro for me and forces me back into the Adobe Tax Hole. [0] There are undoubtedly many other deficiencies but this one really irks me.

> Unless you want, e.g., a destructive crop Isn't this achieved by enabling the "Delete cropped pixels" option? From Pixelmator help: > Select "Delete cropped pixels" to permanently delete the cropped areas of an image or deselect it to crop the image nondestructively and hide the cropped areas of an image instead. https://www.pixelmator.com/support/guide/pixelmator-pro/1010...

Bloody hell, completely missed that option. Yes, that does what I need! Thanks!
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