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Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by bawolff »

nsguy wrote: post #618
FireBeyond wrote: post #413

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The not allowing israel to fully vote until 2010 You're not going to throw that out without reference to how the US and Israel have consistently been the only countries to oppose Palestinian UN membership and voting.

Palestinians are not a country. What other members of the UN are not countries? I believe other countries have opposed to the Palestinians becoming UN members. The last time around 9 countries voted against and 25 abstained. So I guess 34 did not support that purely symbolic vote (since the UN general assembly can't give the Palestinians membership, only the UN security council can).

> Palestinians are not a country. What other members of the UN are not countries

In fairness, the definition of state is pretty arbitrary and seems more like a popularity contest than anything else. Like how is taiwan not a state? How is the vatican a state? How is the Sovereign Military Order of Malta a state?

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

chipdart wrote: post #605
muaytimbo wrote: post #592

So Israel does the exact thing all the politicians try to scare us into believing Russia does every election in the US. I guess the difference is AIPAC.

What do you mean "try to scare us into believing Russia does"? Do you have any doubt that Russia has been interfering in US politics for well over a decade?

The total amount of direct evidence (evidence, not assertions of secret evidence by the US government, unproven and unsubstantiated allegations of hacking or superman Bernie memes by click farms based somewhere in Russia) that Russia has "interfered" with US politics that has been released by the US government in the last 10 years adds up to less than the evidence in this article on Israel alone.

Evidence aside, I personally think it is extremely likely that Russia, China and most other countries active on the world stage have tried to "interfere" in US politics to some degree, but nowhere near the amount that we interfere in the politics of other countries or that Israel interferes in ours.

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by wordofx »

racional wrote: post #359
dang wrote: post #183

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Your account has continued to use HN primarily for political battle after we asked you recently to stop: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40519369 (May 2024) If you keep this up we're going to have to ban you, for reasons explained on many past occasions: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... . Edit for anyone concerned: yes, this principle applies regardless of which side of any politic…

It seems you've been triggered by the mention of the g-word. But when we calmly consider what the commenter is saying: Israel is using information age technology to commit and propagandize their genocide It's plainly not an unreasonable proposition, nor does it seem to be intended to engage in battle or provoke. They're simply describing a perfectly horrible situation that happening on the ground (that some recognize…

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by defrost »

wordofx wrote: post #624
racional wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems you've been triggered by the mention of the g-word. But when we calmly consider what the commenter is saying: Israel is using information age technology to commit and propagandize their genocide It's plainly not an unreasonable proposition, nor does it seem to be intended to engage in battle or provoke. They're simply describing a perfectly horrible situation that happening on the ground (that some recognize…

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'False' is a matter of opinion, not an absolute.

eg: 26 March 2024 Human Rights https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976

    Citing international law, Ms. Albanese explained that genocide is defined as a specific set of acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group. 

    “Specifically, Israel has committed three acts of genocide with the requisite intent: causing seriously serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part, and imposing measures intended to prevent birth within the group,” she said.  

    Furthermore, “the genocide in Gaza is the most extreme stage of a long-standing settler colonial process of erasure of the native Palestinians,” she continued.
Clearly there are opinions at odds with your opinion.

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by heroprotagonist »

chipdart wrote: post #605
muaytimbo wrote: post #592

So Israel does the exact thing all the politicians try to scare us into believing Russia does every election in the US. I guess the difference is AIPAC.

What do you mean "try to scare us into believing Russia does"? Do you have any doubt that Russia has been interfering in US politics for well over a decade?

This seems like a remnant opinion resultant from old propaganda campaigns promoted by politicians Russia was supporting with its interference in US politics.

These campaigns were multifaceted and included calling proven basic facts into question, going so far as to suggest Russia wasn't interfering at all.

Convincing people to disbelieve this basic fact precluded them from any possible consideration of whether Russia was supporting specific candidates, how Russia might benefit from such a candidate taking power, and why Russia might consider interference to be worth the effort, money, and risk.

This disbelief would also preclude any consideration about why the politician might:

- support such Russian meddling by pretending it did not exist

- make unsupported claims implicating their political opponents which completely ignored known facts

- play dumb whenever the subject came up

It was a playbook, followed to incredible success in conjunction with other propaganda efforts.

This all served to enable the politician to completely avoid addressing core questions about why Russia would support the candidate to the point of interfering with US elections to begin with.

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Post by refulgentis »

nsguy wrote: post #620
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #485

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> the (arguably) unequal focus only Israel's human rights record relative to other countries Two thoughts on this: Firstly, every time a country is getting criticized for it's human rights abuses it, like clockwork, raises the spectre of being "unjustly singled out" about it's human rights abuses. To be clear, I would very much like every country on earth that engages in human rights abuses prosecuted for it, includi…

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> How much condemnation from the UN has China received for what it's doing to the Uyghurs?

Tons? https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=united+nations+uyghur+condemn...

Apologies for the LMGTFY, but there needs to be a ratcheting up of gently-administered teasing of people when they share tired, easily checkable, fallacious, talking points like this.

Frankly, to me personally, it's stomach-churning, especially when it's reserved for "my racism justifying human rights violations is noble self-defense, unlike theirs."

> Do the Uyghurs launch rockets on Beijing? Did they blow up busses and restaurants in Beijing?

Yes. Is Beijing justified because they did?

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Post by nwah1 »

halflife wrote: post #583
lenerdenator wrote: post #148

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Good for them. But if you're Arab Israeli, you don't have the same slate of rights and representation that Jewish Israelis have. See: freedom of movement to and from the Gaza Strip prior to October 7th.

Arabs has 100% the same rights as Israelis. The freedom of movements to Gaza was not allowed to Jews as well (or every Israeli), since this is an enemy territory. So I challenge you to find 1 law that treats Jews and Arab citizens differently in Israel

The only Arab-Israeli that ever thought it would be a good idea to wander into Gaza was a mentally ill young man named Hisham al-Sayed a decade ago, and he has been a hostage there ever since.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67165002

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Post by gklitz »

chipdart wrote: post #605
muaytimbo wrote: post #592

So Israel does the exact thing all the politicians try to scare us into believing Russia does every election in the US. I guess the difference is AIPAC.

What do you mean "try to scare us into believing Russia does"? Do you have any doubt that Russia has been interfering in US politics for well over a decade?

> Do you have any doubt that Russia has been interfering in US politics for well over a decade?

You mean through completely accepted and legal campaign donations to pretty much every major politician? Oh no wait that’s AIPAC and Israel and “just fine”. You mean through bots that post shit on FB right?

I don’t care for conspiracies, but I do wonder why American politicians don’t try to stop donations from foreign government institutions to politicians in general. JFK was on track to do just that before he was murdered.

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Post by elphinstone »

chipdart wrote: post #605
muaytimbo wrote: post #592

So Israel does the exact thing all the politicians try to scare us into believing Russia does every election in the US. I guess the difference is AIPAC.

What do you mean "try to scare us into believing Russia does"? Do you have any doubt that Russia has been interfering in US politics for well over a decade?

Sure, the Russian lobby is waaay more powerful than AIPAC. /s
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