Vulkan1.3 on the M1 in one month

Post by talldayo » Thu, Jun 06, 2024, 12:27 AM UTC

ttoinou wrote: post #201

talldayo wrote: post #196

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It feels unlikely. Much smaller companies (Broadcom, Qualcomm) have no trouble writing compliant Vulkan drivers (let alone singular people), so I find it hard to give Apple the pass here. Assuming good faith on their part, Vulkan should be available; or at least some kind of cross-platform API target. Otherwise people are just going to ignore Mac and keep focusing on DirectX, like the status quo. Vulkan is everyone's…

Your example of taking games that dare go the full Metal route makes me wonder : to which projects was adding 100% native Vulkan compatibility / support worth the resources spent on this and not something else ? What’s the full Vulkan platform having a dedicated OS running solely Vulkan with a Vulkan based GPU and for which real life uses ?

Post by _carbyau_ » Thu, Jun 06, 2024, 12:31 AM UTC

AltruisticGapHN wrote: post #74

littlecranky67 wrote: post #10

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> would impact Apple's dream of landing AAA games on Apple Silicon Apple's dream is not to have AAA games land on Apple Silicon - they can do this with Proton-like layer, like they did with GPTK. Apple's wet dream is to have AAA games land in the Apple App Store - not on Steam or Epic Game store. That is why the GPTK effort is only have assed (and the license prevents Valve integrating it into steam directly).

I don't get it. They already make a ton of money on mobile games - why not embrace Steam and Proton on their platform? What's the money in AAA games on their platform? edit: this is to say if they had "wet dreams" about selling AAA games on Mac, we'd have seen the tides moving a long time ago.

Post by dev_tty01 » Thu, Jun 06, 2024, 12:34 AM UTC

_carbyau_ wrote: post #195

ttoinou wrote: post #190

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Interesting point of view that could also be the other way around, Vulkan support being a hidden tax for the love of open source and free software rather than something really useful the market needed on top of others APIs / GPU architectures / platforms, pushed by a subset / minority of developers more ideological than practical grounded developers who accept that competition of private standards will bring out the…

Coverage. Metal only covers Apple. Vulkan covers so much more. But money talks and game engines want a slice of that sweet apple pie.

Post by exitb » Thu, Jun 06, 2024, 12:49 AM UTC

kelnos wrote: post #164

jakogut wrote: post #157

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Linux market share is considerably ahead of macOS according to the Steam hardware survey. Just this past month, Linux is sitting at 2.32% compared to macOS at 1.47%.

Genuine question: is it actually reasonable to compare desktop/laptop OS market share with handheld market share? Like... what does that actually tell us? I suppose in the case of gaming it can be useful, since at this point more games are played on Linux (due to SteamDeck) than on macOS. But otherwise, I always get a weird feeling when someone lumps these stats together. I guess part of the weirdness I feel is when…

Post by vilunov » Thu, Jun 06, 2024, 1:18 AM UTC

tracker1 wrote: post #101

dagmx wrote: post #49

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Okay, so you're counting non-native games when the discussion is AGAIN clearly about native games. If we're talking about translation layers, then it's irrelevant because Whisky/Crossover can run them as well. This is just you being completely disingenuous now and purposefully avoiding the actual point of the discussion.

I think it's absolutely fair to count games that are able to run in Linux with Proton via DXVK + Vulcan. Since it's well established and relatively popular thanks to Valve's efforts with the Steam Deck and Proton. Given those efforts, if Apple/Mac had support for Vulkan, Valve would probably make it all just as available on Mac as they do on Linux for Proton.