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Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by nsguy »

School-Cotton wrote: post #548
nsguy wrote: post #547

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Iraq and Lebanon are far from free and democratic countries. https://freedomhouse.org/country/iraq/freedom-world/2024 https://freedomhouse.org/country/lebanon/freedom-world/2024 https://freedomhouse.org/country/israel/freedom-world/2024

That does not contradict my point.

Freedom house, which I think is a credible source here, says Israel is free and democratic, and Lebanon and Iraq are not. How does that not contradict your point? The claim was that Israel is the only free and democratic country in the middle east, do you have any credible source that disproves that?

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Post by jowea »

caycep wrote: post #335
greentxt wrote: post #303

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China's was disbanded like 1 wikipedia edit ago (46 days), if you believe that.

edit made by whatever APT hacking group du jour the PLA has in operation at the moment!

Eh they just say it split back into the usual cyberwarfare sections inside of each usual military branch, not like they actually ceased operations.

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by nsguy »

School-Cotton wrote: post #499
amitport wrote: post #495

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500k Palestinians in Lebanon, 2nd-3rd generation "refugees", are not allowed to be citizens and do not have a vote. (Palestinians are the only people in the world who the UN allow to inherit this status) And now... Iraq?! you must be joking or cynic

That is a fair point. The way Lebanon treats Palestinians is terrible and they should not get a free pass when people criticize Israel.

They're also expelling Syrian refugees right now which is not getting a lot of coverage: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-69059929

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Post by School-Cotton »

nsguy wrote: post #561
School-Cotton wrote: post #548

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That does not contradict my point.

Freedom house, which I think is a credible source here, says Israel is free and democratic, and Lebanon and Iraq are not. How does that not contradict your point? The claim was that Israel is the only free and democratic country in the middle east, do you have any credible source that disproves that?

Israel administers the West Bank as a bantustan for the majority of their (technically non-citizen) Arab population, but does not officially count it as part of their territory, so they don’t have to grant the people there citizenship or allow them voting rights. But it’s worth repeating: Israel entirely controls this territory. That is clearly undemocratic.

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Post by laweijfmvo »

The_Colonel wrote: post #121
laweijfmvo wrote: post #64

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One thing I've learned about old people (and in the US, the people in charge are _OLD_) is that they have no concept of being scammed like this. So they may recognize trolling, but if you tell them "Hey, the President of Israel tweeted at you," they just assume it was the President of Israel.

So the logic is something like this: * my grandmother can't recognize fake information * my grandmother is old * politicians are old * therefore politicians can't recognize fake information Politics has always been full of deception, people doing politics professionally for decades should know a bit or two about it.

I shouldn't have implied it's 100%, but on average, how many gen Z'ers are getting scammed online vs. Boomers?

Kids these days just know everything is a scam or BS, but I can't seem to convince my parents' generation that someone would lie to them via e-mail.

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Post by DANmode »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #532
DANmode wrote: post #519

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Take this unsubstantive garbage back to reddit, please.

Hello friend. I've been on HN for a while. I contribute to the discussions here and contribute with submissions (you can check my submissions and comments pages through my profile). I have earned my right to crack a joke once in a while. Please consider not shooting from the hip and respecting other users' comments here, yourself.

It was actually the age of your account that led me to "shoot from the hip".

There's no "right" to disrupt the conversation. I feel bad about doing it here, now. But, I hate having my reading disrupted by that "vibe".

If you're a friend, please follow the guidelines.

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Post by myth_drannon »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #513
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #493

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> There are three great powers, the US, China and Russia, and Israel has a um special relation with one of them, whereas none of its enemies do. Things keep going the way they're going, and that special relationship has got twenty years left on the clock, max. I don't think that American support should be taken for granted -- and it's not like Israel is cozying up to the Russians or Chinese. They may well end up like…

I disagree. It is very obvious, as Levitz points out above, that Israel can just cozy up to the Chinese or the Russians if Uncle Sam washes its hands of it, China and Russia who would jump at the chance to gain a foothold in the Middle East, right next door to all those industrial juice springs. If I may. But even if that were not the case 20 years is plenty of time to cleanse Gaza, and the West Bank with it, of ever…

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Post by jedimind »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #483
Simon_ORourke wrote: post #87

How are those guys not treated as some hostile foreign power and have half their embassy staff expelled is beyond me.

> How are those guys not treated as some hostile foreign power Americans’ views of the Israeli people are broadly positive [1]. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/05/30/how-ameri... 64%

That really doesn't mean much in a society that has perfected the art of manufacturing consent[0]

"The survey puts numbers on trends that have become increasingly apparent: Cable news viewers are more supportive of Israel’s war effort, less likely to think Israel is committing war crimes, and less interested in the war in general. People who get their news primarily from social media, YouTube, or podcasts, by contrast, generally side with the Palestinians, believe Israel is committing war crimes and genocide, and consider the issue of significant importance.

WE OFTEN HEAR people say that “Twitter isn’t real life” or that “Nobody watches cable news,” but the survey asked where people get most of their news, asking them to pick just one, and cable and social media won out. Most Americans do in fact get their news either primarily from cable (42 percent) or social media like TikTok, Instagram, or another platform (18 percent). A third of people said they get their news from YouTube or podcasts, with 13 percent saying they got most of their news that way.

Asked generally where folks got their news on a day-to-day basis, with a “check all that apply” option, it’s even more clear how dominant cable (55 percent), social media (38 percent), and podcasts/YouTube (34) are compared to print, at 21 percent. (I read the survey as using “print” as a stand-in for any text-based media, whether digital like The Intercept or on actual printed paper.) "

Even the polls you referenced show how stark the contrast between young and old americans are on this topic. Some of the older americans barely have any education on this topic but just stick with the zionist propaganda they were fed when they were younger, they couldn't even locate Israel/Palestine on a map.

Most of the older christian zealots don't have the critical thinking skills or capacity to change their mind on the topic because their indoctrination is so thorough that they'd rather deny reality than face the facts. Not surprising considering they grew up on a mantra that the so called "chosen" people can do no wrong.

I think if those christians who voted favorably had seen how israelis spit[3] on christians and assault[4][5] christians, their opinions would change swiftly, but the news channels they consume won't feed them this reality because consent needs to be manufactured.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent

[1] https://theintercept.com/2024/04/30/gaza-israel-palestine-ca...

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJNfKTO7XK8

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBdF3qyO2zU

[5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq28ZFNzaWM

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Post by ESTheComposer »

Retric wrote: post #518
asadotzler wrote: post #293

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There's nothing inaccurate about what he said. These laws make it illegal for Americans from boycotting Israel. As an American state employee, organizing a boycott against Israel will get you fired or arrested because allowing it would be breaking the law.

Nope, being illegal means something else. Nobody is going to be fined or go to jail for openly boycotting Israel. An amusement park can boycott Israel, they can say so in big bold letters on their commercials etc, and the state isn’t going to do anything. Therefore All companies ARE allowed to “boycott energy companies, discriminate against firearm entities or associations, or boycott Israel” https://texasattorneygen…

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