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Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by dang »

oddtuple wrote: post #226
dang wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your account has continued to use HN primarily for political battle after we asked you recently to stop: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40519369 (May 2024) If you keep this up we're going to have to ban you, for reasons explained on many past occasions: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... . Edit for anyone concerned: yes, this principle applies regardless of which side of any politic…

Dang, We get you’re frustrated but he’s just stating his opinion. It’s not out of line relative to the other discourse in this thread.

The issue, in this case, isn't opinions nor the other discourse in the thread. Rather, it is the account's comments over a long stretch of time.

The question "has an account been using HN primarily for political or ideological battle?" is one of the most important criteria we use in HN moderation. When it is the case, we ask an account to stop and/or end up banning it.

This rule has many advantages. One is that it's a reasonably objective call to make (and for readers to verify) regardless of the specific views a user is arguing for or against. Another is that it allows for a certain amount of political and ideological discussion (as long as it doesn't break the site guidelines in other ways, of course: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html).

More at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40589862

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

Maxatar wrote: post #224
michaeljhg wrote: post #102

Is there a country that doesn't do this?

I don't know of any government department in Canada, Mexico, the UK, France, Germany, Australia that target U.S. law makers with fake social media accounts. Do you know of any? Can you cite them?

I have a question of my own. Is there another country whose citizens are regularly elected to Congress? Dual citizens are not barred from holding office in Congress, and certainly there are more than a few English Americans and French Americans who hold citizens in both respective countries, but I have never heard of any winning office (or even running, for that matter).

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by silisili »

some-guy wrote: post #113
michaeljhg wrote: post #102

Is there a country that doesn't do this?

Not the point here: Israel is our "greatest ally" and the target is our lawmakers.

Yeah, AIPAC really opened my eyes to how deep the ties go. They spend tons of money to put their preferred lawmakers in place, and openly brag on Twitter about how much they spend and their extremely successful track record. It just -feels- like it should be illegal, seeing as it's a foreign country.

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by mrcartmeneses »

SkipperCat wrote: post #4

Not a comment about who's right or wrong in this war, but it is fascinating that we have entered the age of the Internet being a place where warfare is fought. There have always been people posting web content about conflicts but now with Gaza and Ukraine, it seems that the nations fighting are actively looking at the internet as the fourth field of battle. Just waiting for a random US future president to create an "…

How luxurious of you to have such thoughts in the face of genocide

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by hersko »

CommanderData wrote: post #259
cjk2 wrote: post #70

Well their enemies used social accounts to garner support from US citizens so you've got to start somewhere! It's not like we haven't done this either. I worked for a company in 2005 which was doing this paid for by politicians. Moment I worked this out, I quit.

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

rcpt wrote: post #319
some-guy wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the point here: Israel is our "greatest ally" and the target is our lawmakers.

As far as I can tell "greatest ally" is just something these accounts say. Jordan seems to be a much stronger friend to us in the region.

Jordan never sunk a US Navy ship and then machine-gunned the sailors trying to escape in lifeboats. But if they did, they wouldn't have painted over the jet's markings first.

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Post by dr-detroit »

xkcd-sucks wrote: post #288
SimbaOnSteroids wrote: post #229

The wild part about this, at least to me, is the wholesale incompetence demonstrated by Israel in this regard. If I couldn't google the talking points the bots make and see Israeli officials saying the same things, one would think these bots were Iranians acting with the intent to make Israel look bad.

Even the spooky spy and torture people choose the crappy low bidding implementation partner

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by mrcartmeneses »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #348

it would be interesting to know how global politics and wars would change if the US were to stop shoveling money to foreign countries.

Much, much more peaceful. Once parties lack the resources for war and have to come to peace, it often takes hold in unexpectedly strong ways

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by [deleted] »

dragonwriter wrote: post #284
runarberg wrote: post #237

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I’m thinking in terms of processes and propaganda. While other genocides use information technology for communication and propaganda, this one is unique in that information technology is used throughout, including in target selection and killings. The Rohingya Genocide does not e.g. use drones to carry out killings with targets selected by AI.

> While other genocides use information technology for communication and propaganda, this one is unique in that information technology is used throughout, including in target selection and killings. No, its not. Heck, the Holocaust used information technology for target selection. > The Rohingya Genocide does not e.g. use drones The genocides in the former Yugoslavia used most of the weapons of then-modern warfare, w…

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