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Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

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Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

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I learned recently theres a "biomass specific" cultivar of switchgrass.

If you've been around wetlands in the Midwest, switchgrass is the most prolific plant. You have to fight it to plant anything. The cultivar is a few percentage points better, but don't mistake it being better for anything other than marketing for the seed company.

You can't have something that just grows free and wild and is easy to propogate and to harvest with old square balers. You can't make biomass digestors palletized for home or community use to reduce our reliance on propane. No, you gotta make money from investor based corporate ag on a slightly different angle, mostly to grift clueless government green energy mandates.

I don't believe for a second modern agriculture companies give a fuck about the poor.

Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

#12

This is whats wrong with articles. You can never know the motive behind them. There’s no way this article is actually written organically and the big corps aren’t paying them to write this. There should be some regulation stopping this. Basically any company with money can now spread their own propoganda.

Agreed.

This particular piece is hot garbage, and the entire operation has many hallmarks of astroturf.

Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

#13
post #3

It's not about health issues. I don't care if some poor guy with fish allergy dies after eating GMO potato. It's about licencing issues! GMO has potential to literally enslave humanity. GMO should either be public domain or banned. There is no middle ground!

You know patents expire and their contents are released into the public domain after 25 years right? Seems like an short time to enslave humanity

Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

#14

Rejection of GMOs and rejection of large corporations controlling food sources, are different issues that are completely tied up in each other. Most of the problems with GMOs are problems with the patenting of crops, suing farmers for ridiculous reasons. The rest of the problems are people screaming "but the chemicals!" with no real scientific basis. We definitely need more GMO crops to feed the planet. We most likel…

> We definitely need more GMO crops to feed the planet

That, too, is debatable. Google "Do we have enough food" - we could feed 10B people with what we produce. Feeding the world is currently more a matter of donating (who pays?) and distributing it, not so much of producing the food in the first place.

> namely the lack of pesticides, of which some may be dangerous (but often regulated)

There is also overfertilization, which puts nitrates into ground and ultimately drinking water, and the over-use of herbicide, which massively strains local ecosystems to their collapse. The farmer revolts in Europe over the last 1-2 years have shown how politically difficult any kind of regulation in this area is. The EU is now backing down. It seems to be very difficult to find a middle ground in the "excessive vs. organic" spectrum.

Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

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Could as well say that too little development into synthetic meats hinders human progress.

It is not that we can not grow enough food for humans. It is that we feed all the food to unethically treated animals in large warehouses, only to dig them down when the meat is unprofitable (looking at you, Australia).

My bet is that we increase agriculture free land, and utilize what we grow much better.

Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

#16
A lot of poor countries have a large proportion of subsistence farmers that are living off the land and are not participating in any form of formal economy. That is how you get those less than two dollars a day figures. They simply aren't using money. The food they produce and eat is definitely worth two dollars. When you look at the economics of commercial farming, most of the cost is spent on inputs such as synthetic fertilizer and seeds. There was a hybrid rice company telling you, you can earn a whopping $1000 per unit of land, all you have to do is pay them $800 for the inputs. You still have to pay for the land and the equipment. The seed and fertilizer companies are earning most of the money. Meanwhile if you are a simple subsistence farmer you don't have a thousand dollars, so you will have to borrow the money and if your country isn't self sufficient agriculturally and bleeding money because of trade deficits then what is it exporting to buy the inputs? It is not like you are selling basic necessities to some high tech country that is better off doing something else. So you borrow money from foreign countries in a foreign currency, a currency that is much more stable than yours. This is hardly a business model that works for the poor. Whenever people talk about GMOs, they think the fundamental problem of agriculture is that there is an insufficient quantity of food, when the actual problem is that the economy needs to formalise and poor people need access to markets to buy or sell things.

Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

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Rejection of GMOs and rejection of large corporations controlling food sources, are different issues that are completely tied up in each other. Most of the problems with GMOs are problems with the patenting of crops, suing farmers for ridiculous reasons. The rest of the problems are people screaming "but the chemicals!" with no real scientific basis. We definitely need more GMO crops to feed the planet. We most likel…

> namely the lack of pesticides

lack of synthetic pesticides, you can use as much organic pesticides as you want.

Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

#18

Rejection of GMOs and rejection of large corporations controlling food sources, are different issues that are completely tied up in each other. Most of the problems with GMOs are problems with the patenting of crops, suing farmers for ridiculous reasons. The rest of the problems are people screaming "but the chemicals!" with no real scientific basis. We definitely need more GMO crops to feed the planet. We most likel…

Organic crops aren't free of pesticides. They can use organic pesticides. As if something organic must be healthier/ecological.

Arsenic is organic.

Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

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Rejection of GMOs and rejection of large corporations controlling food sources, are different issues that are completely tied up in each other. Most of the problems with GMOs are problems with the patenting of crops, suing farmers for ridiculous reasons. The rest of the problems are people screaming "but the chemicals!" with no real scientific basis. We definitely need more GMO crops to feed the planet. We most likel…

> organic crops use more land, more water, and produce less for sale

You could say the same thing about grass grazing cows and free range chickens.

But anyone who’s had fresh home grown eggs, milk, or a 1/4 cow out in the country knows how much of a difference there is.

Just because something is maximally efficient, doesn’t mean it’s healthier. Just like Coca Cola isn’t healthier than Kefir.

Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

#20
Crazy to consider we already forgot about other big ideas that ended in a pandemic because gain of function research conducted in a lab. And now companies like Montesanto want to push more such dangerous ideas by arguing it is to combat hunger.

Having more humans on the planet is not the solution to climate change. And science isn't going to save our ass from it.

Sustainable agriculture is not about monoculture farming GMO crops while the rest of the environment gets obliterated by the practice.

Utterly stupid.

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