It's awesome! Is there any change to made this legal??
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Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be
#432Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks a lot. I plan to make a living out of my programming & product building abilities but not in this domain, it's too messy. However, I hope we can reach an agreement with content distributors at least in some countries and replace the torrents by available legal sources. Thanks a lot for the positive feedback, got a lot of hate uncalled for here, that's refreshing :)
You will, of course, be making all code and all data you produce in your career publicly available as a torrent? If not, why not?
To quote one of my favorite personas on the internet: "You's trolling".
I buy a lot of indie content, I hope that it helps them make a living. I'm currently contacting people to try and start a legal offer for indie content: apparently nobody got that right yes (if you know of any, let me know).
As for sharing my code, part of it, yes, open-source has been very beneficial to the software industry in the past... 30-odd years, and we plan on keep doing it since it seems to work out on everyone.
I probably shouldn't even have replied to that comment, but from all my comments here it's pretty obvious what I really want to happen: it's not movies.io, it's a 'Steam' for movies. Who cares if you don't have the latest mainstream crap (read: BF3, etc.) as long as you have a sort of 'quality seal' and very very easy payment/access ?
Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be
#433I don't know which I feel saddest about: 1. Whether or not this is actually illegal, it is clearly unethical and not in the spirit of good clean business and technology practices we should all be aspire to. 2. That it quickly made it to #1 on Hacker News. 3. That I seem to be one of the few who cares while most others nit on details.
That I seem to be one of the few who cares while most others nit on details.
For me it's you who is nitting on details.
The question whether filesharing is "ethical" or not is irrelevant.
Because regardless of the answer: The cat is not going back into the bag. No matter how many rivers are cried.
You could just as well complain that the job of the farrier has nearly disappeared because most people don't ride horses anymore.
A much more interesting discussion could be based on the following questions:
* What distribution and compensation model will emerge as the successor
to the current "pay-per-consumption" or "pay-per-physical-copy" approach?
* What are the consequences for artists and content-producers?
Are million-dollar blockbuster movies still possible in the future?
Will "making a living" as a musician still be possible?
Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be
#434Earlier quoted context omitted.
HN is dead.
Really? You think yourself so above me, so better than me, in every way, that not only don't I deserve a response, but I herald the death of the HN as a place for insightful discussions? Maybe there would be more insightful discussions if people had more to say than "HN is dead" in response to a confused, imperfect person expressing where they are on the path to discerning right from wrong.
Well I am sorry if I offended you.
Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be
#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
That only works if you contend that every single person who pirated something would not have purchased the thing otherwise. First, downloading doesn't prevent purchasing. Secondly, otherwise how? Either you download it or you don't. Do you mean, if it wasn't available to download? But that's not the "stealing" part. That's uploading/sharing, which is a different issue. Thirdly, "hurting" potential sales is not inheri…
Downloading and consuming some content removes the primary reason of purchasing something—to consume that content. Now, the ideas of people on here and in the tech world in general really can't be further than that of those in the 'outside world.' When people I know who aren't technical people speak of downloading stuff many often make note of how awesome it is to consume something without having to pay for it. Not p…
Oh, I know plenty of people who say it's awesome to consume stuff without paying too. Of course, 90% of them wouldn't buy that stuff anyway since they're already struggling to feed and clothe their kids (Yeay for living in a country in a permanent economic crisis for the last 30 years!).
But the few I know that can actualy afford that stuff aren't spending less; at most, they moved to spending more on concerts and less on albums. Which is supported by real data in other countries:
http://www.hypebot.com/.a/6a00d83451b36c69e2012875f077e8970c...
So, sorry if your anedoctal "evidence" doesn't convince me.
Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be
#436There is one book from a portuguese writer where the argument is something like this: press a button, you'll get a million dollars and somebody (that you don't know) in a very far way place dies. Nobody will know about it just you. Will you press it or not? Piracy is the same. Is so easy to get and normally nobody will know, just a smaller reward and smaller consequences too. Most of people just press it.. disclaimer…
Apparently Hollywood made that book into a movie: http://movies.io/m/TN
I heard about that movie, is based on ("The Mandarin", 1880) by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Maria_de_E%C3%A7a_de_...
Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be
#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
Since you asked, I shall explain. Here is my working definition of something that immoral: Violating the written or unwritten rules of the society one lives in, in a way that is directly harmful to another person or group of people, though ones actions. So taking drugs is fine, since you are not harming another person. Downloading a film is also fine for the same reason. With selling drugs and jaywalking it depends.…
1. To be immoral, something both has to violate rules of society in addition to being "directly" harmful? So if it's directly harmful but violates no rules of society (e.g. beating and raping women in societies where that's socially acceptable), or it violates rules of society but is only indirectly harmful, it's perfectly moral? 2. What's your working definition of "directly harmful"? Littering directly harms wildli…
Are you seriously not understanding what I am saying or are you just looking for a discussion?
You asked (basically) why anyone would consider jaywalking, taking drugs, and downloading movies to be ethical, but not hosting a torrent site. So, I tried to give a rough stipulation of my own personal ethics. That definition was not meant to be universal, bulletproof, or exhaustive.
1. My point is that what is considered harmful or not is decided by the rules of society. Different societies agreed upon different rules about what the rights are of a person. If there was a society were there copyright is not commonly accepted then making a movie pirate site is (obviously) not a problem. If you don't agree with the rules, you should work to change them, but not take justice in your own hands.
2. Specifically, I was thinking about a situation where you buy drugs and that money gets used to finance a drug war. Even though, I think that is bad, I don't think it an deciding factor in this case if buying drugs was legal or not.
3. That's why I added "from his point of view". If I would consider it ethical in this case depends on whether I think it is reasonable or not, and whether the mean justifies the end in this case.
Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be
#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll bite. Why do you think this "clearly unethical"? I don't think it's clear at all. Everyone I know pirates movies, TV shows, and music. Everyone I know also jaywalks. I also know people who use drugs illegally, as well as participate in or facilitate underage drinking, and I don't have a problem with any of it. Are these unethical? Someone clearly thought so. Do I care? You know what the truth is, for me, and eve…
Pirating movies is stealing. There is no other way of putting it. I'll let you decide whether you find stealing ethical or not. It might depend on your social circle. If you were a member of a gang, you'll find it socially acceptable among your social circles to kill people and sell drugs probably.
This is 2012. Are we still doing the whole pirating == stealing thing?
Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be
#439Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it a 'human right' to make money off of Game of Thrones or Batman Begins? Copyright is a monopoly granted by congress' interpretation of the constitution's directive to promote progress of science and the useful arts. I think it's time to reinterpret.
>Is it a 'human right' to make money off of Game of Thrones or Batman Begins? Is it a right to make money off of Game of Thrones? No. Is it their right to charge for content they've created? In my opinion, yes. I am a huge advocate of open source software. I'm not an advocate of taking other peoples' software and forcing it to be free, against the creators' wishes. Sharing a book, or facts from a library or notes fro…
> How do you suggest we reinterpret? Should everyone get everything they want for free?
A Kickstarter-type patronage model would work: the creators of Game of Thrones ask for funding for a new series, then release it directly into the public domain.
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#440Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apparently Hollywood made that book into a movie: http://movies.io/m/TN
I heard about that movie, is based on ("The Mandarin", 1880) by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Maria_de_E%C3%A7a_de_...
See, that's the kind of info we'd like on movies.io.
There's so much more about movies than you can learn about from TMDb, some people do research, are passionate about a particular subject, especially niche movies that aren't available anywhere (not legally, even often not by torrent).
We'd love to nurture that. We're looking for a great way to manage that information: just 'comments' on the movie isn't going to cut it. Stay tuned.