Loyalty at work no longer pays – and it's employers who are to blame • Hacker News Board

Re: Loyalty at work no longer pays – and it's employers who are to blame

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Post by phone8675309 » Mon, Jun 03, 2024, 6:32 PM UTC

jarsin wrote: post #45

phone8675309 wrote: post #41

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Companies saying "we're a big family here" are deeply amusing to me as someone who had a turbulent home life as a child and who only talks to his relatives once a year on Christmas. I think the people saying this don't think about people who have a still-acrimonious relationship with their family. If you're telling me that you're a big family then I am not interested.

I was laid off with zero severance and no recommendation etc from a company that was big on "we are a family". Never heard from one single person there after the layoff. I was like yup this is how my family is too. Ever since I have always felt joining a company is like getting adopted into another dysfunctional family.

The difference between a company and my family is that the company I work for always pays me to keep me coming back whereas my family it's more hit or miss.

Re: Loyalty at work no longer pays – and it's employers who are to blame

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Post by interludead » Tue, Jun 04, 2024, 5:58 PM UTC

npteljes wrote: post #50

Morally it's the employers to blame, but the world is not built on morality, but on power dynamics. For loyalty to be worth something, the relationship has to be at least somewhat equitable. Each party has to have the power to hurt the other significantly. If this is not the case, then the vulnerable party's loyalty is not worth much of the invulnerable party. I don't need the loyalty of the hamster I keep in the cag…

Loyalty thrives in an environment of mutual respect and benefit.

Re: Loyalty at work no longer pays – and it's employers who are to blame

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Post by interludead » Tue, Jun 04, 2024, 6:02 PM UTC

Apreche wrote: post #11

Facts. The biggest career mistake I made was staying at one place for too long. It was comfortable and solid. I got complacent. I didn't think I could do better. I was wrong. I've changed jobs twice since then, and both have been big upgrades. If your employer isn't significantly rewarding loyalty, I highly recommend at least looking to see what's out there. You aren't forced to go, but be open to new opportunities.…

I am the same here. Complacency can indeed lead to stagnation. Realizing the importance of seeking growth and new opportunities is a valuable lesson. I'm in a process of learning.

Re: Loyalty at work no longer pays – and it's employers who are to blame

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Post by interludead » Tue, Jun 04, 2024, 6:09 PM UTC

jarsin wrote: post #13

The sad reality is the more successful a company the less power you have as an employee.

Agree, it is hard to have an impact or be heard by senior management in a big company.

Re: Loyalty at work no longer pays – and it's employers who are to blame

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Post by RoyalHenOil » Thu, Jun 13, 2024, 6:53 PM UTC

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #69

RoyalHenOil wrote: post #35

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The problem is that it is a competition. If socializing is difficult for you, you can still get better at it with plenty of practice, but you are up against other applicants who had the same amount of practice as you and got more out of that practice (because they are naturally better at it). Telling everyone across the board to just practice more does not actually solve the problem. The problem is solved only by hav…

Role skills mean that the interviewer checks a box. Social skills mean that the interviewer thinks he'll like working with you. Which one do you think has more impact?

What percentage of interviewers actually work alongside the employees they hire?