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Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by tluyben2 »

disappointment wrote: post #291
Zirro wrote: post #104

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I think the film-industry should be inspired by this. If they offered something which is as easy to use and as good-looking as this, piracy will certainly decrease. Just put a "Pay here"-button before giving the user their download-link. Skip the DRM and the restrictions for different parts of the world and they'd have a killer-platform for selling their products. I am not saying that piracy isn't "unethical", but th…

There are plenty of easy ways to legally buy and download movies - certainly a lot easier than torrenting. See Netflix, iTunes, Google Play etc. It would be both nice and pragmatic if they would drop the DRM that is clearly doing nothing to combat piracy. This is not going to achieve that.

No there are not. Not if you don't live in the States. The US is not the only place on earth you know :) It's hard/impossible to get anything new (and most things old) in other countries legally streaming.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by tluyben2 »

nddrylliog wrote: post #113
dangrossman wrote: post #111

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On most of these stores, if you linked directly to the movie page, it'd be a one- or two-click experience between arriving and watching the video. On Amazon for example, you click the "Buy Movie" button, and it turns into a play button, which launches the movie player. As long as you're signed in, there are no intermediate steps, the purchase just goes to your default credit card or bank account and you get an e-mail…

Most of your assumptions should end with "if you live in the USA". Yup, life sucks for movie lovers in Europe.

Yep and no; it doesn't suck; everyone just downloads them illegally as there is no other viable choice. Waiting for them to come out in EU is not viable; we live in a global, continues contact world; on Facebook people will be talking about the 'latest Game of Thrones' ep and you didn't see it.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by hxa7241 »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #396
hxa7241 wrote: post #321

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People really ought to stop and examine this idea that copying information is somehow underneath unethical -- and that the special word 'unethical' can be uttered and that will tell people to behave. Information is a nonrival good: it is an abundance with respect to access -- how on earth, in any rational conception of morality, can free access to an abundant good be construed as intrinsically immoral? It is unethica…

Agreed. I have a hobby of collecting different snippets of people's personal info, just for entertainment purposes. Please send me your name, contact info, and banking information. I'd like to have it on file.

Informational goods covered by copyright are ones already made public.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by tluyben2 »

TylerE wrote: post #156
quinndupont wrote: post #94

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Who let the MPAA in here? Seriously, unless you are a massive copyright holder, attempting to exploit every red penny out of your brainwashed masses, I don't see how any user would have a problem with this. Maybe the movie industry should try to out-innovate?

It's very simple. As a creative person, who produces creative work, I desire a world in which it is possible for me to make a living doing that. To put it in terms HN might be more comfortable with - how would you feel, if you operated a subscription website, if someone came along, and swiped your code and content, and put it up for free. Would you support that?

I'm not sure about the rest here, but as I have said before and will say again; I PAY (a lot if need-be) for your creative work IFF (if and only if) you make it trivial for me to purchase it when I want it. I am not going to jump through hoops, wait for ages because I happen to live in EU etc. I buy nearly every nice indie game that comes out, I sponsor indie movies; both are always super easy to get, worldwide without delays.

Edit: case in point http://www.humblebundle.com/ => how much easier can it get?

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by tomp »

nddrylliog wrote: post #400
tomp wrote: post #248

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Also, I'd really like to see the full filename of the movies I download. They include a lot of useful information, such as resolution (720, 1080, ...), filetype (mp4, mkv, ...), source (DVD, DVDrip, TC, SCR, ...), and release (eztv, ettv, ...). That is crucial especially for movie torrents.

We're working on a good way to extract those and display them in both a user-friendly and useful fashion. In the meantime, hover over the 'Download' link to get the full release name.

Thanks for the tip!

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by nl »

edw519 wrote: post #79

I don't know which I feel saddest about: 1. Whether or not this is actually illegal, it is clearly unethical and not in the spirit of good clean business and technology practices we should all be aspire to. 2. That it quickly made it to #1 on Hacker News. 3. That I seem to be one of the few who cares while most others nit on details.

I agree, and I hate this.

Even more though, I'm sad that people are forced into a position where they have to run unethical services if they want to build services like this.

It is time content owners were forced to provide statutory licenses for streaming video content, just as they are forced to provide licenses for streaming audio.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by hxa7241 »

joshAg wrote: post #371
laughinghan wrote: post #324

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This is not a constructive comment. Care to explain the distinction and how that distinction is relevant to a discussion about digital piracy?

allow me han, i still have notes from my social justice class in hs: basically, ethics:morals::superego:ego, in that morals are internalized but ethics are imposed by an outside authority. ethics are an outgrowth of human society/interaction on a large scale and almost always imply a system of agreed upon rules and behavior. for example, legal ethics define how a lawyere is supposed to act and conduct himself while i…

See Grayling: http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/10197-graylingsqu...

"'ethics' is either the organised philosophical study of the concepts and principles involved in systems of morality [i.e. a 2nd-order enquiry of morality], or it is the set of principles, attitudes, aims and standards adopted by individuals or organisations by which they live and act [i.e. a superset of morality]".

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by tluyben2 »

edw519 wrote: post #79

I don't know which I feel saddest about: 1. Whether or not this is actually illegal, it is clearly unethical and not in the spirit of good clean business and technology practices we should all be aspire to. 2. That it quickly made it to #1 on Hacker News. 3. That I seem to be one of the few who cares while most others nit on details.

I'm in the camp (which might be naive) that if there are alternatives people wouldn't download illegally (as much). I never illegally copy Indie games or movies simply as they are easy to buy. The perceived pressure of 'pirating' might get people in the EU streaming content at the same time the US gets it within our lifetime. Without that pressure, there is no incentive for this. All people I know would never download/watch illegally if they could watch legally. This is simply not the case and so pressure needs to build in order to force the issue.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by dusanbab »

laughinghan wrote: post #186
edw519 wrote: post #79

I don't know which I feel saddest about: 1. Whether or not this is actually illegal, it is clearly unethical and not in the spirit of good clean business and technology practices we should all be aspire to. 2. That it quickly made it to #1 on Hacker News. 3. That I seem to be one of the few who cares while most others nit on details.

I'll bite. Why do you think this "clearly unethical"? I don't think it's clear at all. Everyone I know pirates movies, TV shows, and music. Everyone I know also jaywalks. I also know people who use drugs illegally, as well as participate in or facilitate underage drinking, and I don't have a problem with any of it. Are these unethical? Someone clearly thought so. Do I care? You know what the truth is, for me, and eve…

laughinghan, I don't buy your physical / virtual goods distinction. Your argument is inconsistent - if you were prepared to shoplift the same movie from a store I wouldn't agree with your ethics, but you would at least be acting consistently.

Good point RE social stigma attached to this, but IMO it's simply a reflection of the penalty most territories attach to physical theft compared to virtual. The latter is also a lot easier to perpetrate.

I can't cite evidence immediately, but it's fairly accepted that length of jail terms influence per-capita crime rates of most crime types.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by nddrylliog »

nl wrote: post #416
edw519 wrote: post #79

I don't know which I feel saddest about: 1. Whether or not this is actually illegal, it is clearly unethical and not in the spirit of good clean business and technology practices we should all be aspire to. 2. That it quickly made it to #1 on Hacker News. 3. That I seem to be one of the few who cares while most others nit on details.

I agree, and I hate this. Even more though, I'm sad that people are forced into a position where they have to run unethical services if they want to build services like this. It is time content owners were forced to provide statutory licenses for streaming video content, just as they are forced to provide licenses for streaming audio.

Dear god yes, that is the whole point I've been trying to make. Thank you for that.
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