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Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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Re: Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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Paywalled so I guess I'll never know, but in spite of the scary sounding name the associated press release says the following: “Despite a large body of evidence from extraordinary efforts by investigators around the world, our committee found that in many cases, if not most, evidence was insufficient to accept or reject causality for a particular potential harm from a specific COVID-19 vaccine,” said committee vice c…

It is not paywalled, you can read the summary here

https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/27746/chapter/2

Re: Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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I'd suggest you read the document you shared. Not only they found no relationship between vaccines and sudden death, the problems vaccines may cause aren't life-threatening unless in very specific acute cases. Most of those cases would be identified during autopsy, so you would have a spike in deaths of a specific kind; that's not what is happening.

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> The total number of excess deaths in 47 countries of the Western World was 3 098 456 from 1 January 2020 until 31 December 2022.

Hmm, would have been better to talk about lost quality adjusted life years, because someone old and frail dying 3 months earlier than expected vs someone previously healthy dying are two very different things.

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As a non-US-citizen my understanding of this is limited, but I see very little fact-based criticism and instead personal attacks and calls to "jail him" without even a clear case. That in itself is strongly anti-democratic behavior that I would be extremely hesitant to support even if there was a strong factual foundation to the accusations (which I can't see so far). Which aspect of this report makes you confident t…

It is incredibly important to make the life of decision makers from the covid times as unpleasant as possible in order to reduce the chance of a repeat when the next pandemic comes.

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As a non-US-citizen my understanding of this is limited, but I see very little fact-based criticism and instead personal attacks and calls to "jail him" without even a clear case. That in itself is strongly anti-democratic behavior that I would be extremely hesitant to support even if there was a strong factual foundation to the accusations (which I can't see so far). Which aspect of this report makes you confident t…

> That in itself is strongly anti-democratic behavior [...]

Not sure what this has to do with democracy? Seems more like a rule of law issue?

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Is that based on your personal interpretation of the facts, or do you think there is part of this study that proves that?

The part re excess mortality due to non-covid causes means Fauci killed lots of people. Even if he had saved more from covid (he had not), it would not change the fact that his policies killed many who would not have died otherwise.

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Myocarditis seems to be the one you refer to?

  Conclusions Regarding mRNA-1273

  Conclusion 3-2: The evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between the mRNA-1273 vaccine and Guillain-Barré syndrome.
  Conclusion 3-10: The evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between the mRNA-1273 vaccine and Bell's palsy.
  Conclusion 5-2: The evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between the mRNA-1273 vaccine and thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome.
  Conclusion 6-2: The evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between the mRNA vaccine and myocardial infarction.
  Conclusion 7-2: *The evidence establishes a causal relationship between the mRNA-1273 vaccine and myocarditis*.
  Conclusion 9-2: The evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between the mRNA-1273 vaccine and female infertility.
  For all other possible harms studied, the conclusion was that the evidence was inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship with the mRNA-1273 vaccine.
At the same time for the myocarditis analysis it seems most other vaccines couldn't have evidence for or against it having a causal relationship:

  BOX 7-1
  Conclusions for Myocarditis and Pericarditis
  Conclusion 7-1: The evidence establishes a causal relationship between the BNT1622 vaccine and myocarditis.
  Conclusion 7-2: The evidence establishes a causal relationship between the mRNA-1273 vaccine and myocarditis.
  Conclusion 7-3: The evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between the Ad26.COV2.S vaccine and myocarditis.
  Conclusion 7-4: The evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between the NVX-CoV2373 vaccine and myocarditis.
  Conclusion 7-5: The evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between the BNT162b2 vaccine and pericarditis without myocarditis.
  Conclusion 7-6: The evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between the mRNA-1273 vaccine and pericarditis without myocarditis.
  Conclusion 7-7: The evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between the Ad26.COV2.S vaccine and pericarditis without myocarditis.
  Conclusion 7-8: The evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between the NVX-CoV2373 vaccine and pericarditis without myocarditis.

Re: Excess mortality across the Western World since the Covid pandemic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that based on your personal interpretation of the facts, or do you think there is part of this study that proves that?

The part re excess mortality due to non-covid causes means Fauci killed lots of people. Even if he had saved more from covid (he had not), it would not change the fact that his policies killed many who would not have died otherwise.

Following that logic, I suspect 90% of congress should be executed for one law or another that they voted for.
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