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Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

#371

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Ethics and morals are not the same.

This is not a constructive comment. Care to explain the distinction and how that distinction is relevant to a discussion about digital piracy?

allow me han, i still have notes from my social justice class in hs:

basically, ethics:morals::superego:ego, in that morals are internalized but ethics are imposed by an outside authority.

ethics are an outgrowth of human society/interaction on a large scale and almost always imply a system of agreed upon rules and behavior. for example, legal ethics define how a lawyere is supposed to act and conduct himself while in the course of practicing law. medical ethics do the same for medical professionals. these have nothing to do an individuals personal feelings about right or wrong, but merely what is agreed upon but society in a specific context.

morals, otoh, are an internalized set of rules that may or may not be part of a larger overarching system. these tend to be much less black and white than ethics. to make things confusing, morals can also mean a specific case of how an ethical system is applied, in which case a society can have morals.

practical examples:

doctors are ethically obliged to heal every patient he has to the best of his ability. a specific doctor might consider it immoral to let a murderer live when you have the chance to kill him/her. if a killer (to keep things less grey, assume that the killer is a killer with 100% certainty and no extraneous circumstances), comes before the aforementioned doctor with a wound, the doctor has a range of choices: kill the murderer/patient, heal him/her as best as possible, make a halfhearted attempt to heal the patient/murderer. anything less than healing the patient as best as possible would be unethical because the doctor is supposed to ignore personal biases when treating patients. according to the doctor's ethics, anything other than killing the patient/murderer is immoral.

almost all societies hold that killing another human is unethical. almost all societies have a standing army that is ethically obliged to kill enemies of the society. depending on how you want to look at this paradox, the exceptions to the broad ethical rule of not killing humans has many moral exceptions/loopholes on a societal scale, or you could say that soldiers live by a separate ethical code from the rest of society, under which killing is not forbidden.

there are at least two conflicting ethical codes when it comes to piracy/copyright infringement:

1) depriving someone of their possessions is wrong (aka stealing, ie if i am using it you can't use it), barring a few caveats 2) one should share one's knowledge freely (ie sharing is caring), barring a few caveats

deciding which ethical code takes precedence is a moral issues.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

#372

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That only works if you contend that every single person who pirated something would not have purchased the thing otherwise. First, downloading doesn't prevent purchasing. Secondly, otherwise how? Either you download it or you don't. Do you mean, if it wasn't available to download? But that's not the "stealing" part. That's uploading/sharing, which is a different issue. Thirdly, "hurting" potential sales is not inheri…

Downloading and consuming some content removes the primary reason of purchasing something—to consume that content. Now, the ideas of people on here and in the tech world in general really can't be further than that of those in the 'outside world.' When people I know who aren't technical people speak of downloading stuff many often make note of how awesome it is to consume something without having to pay for it. Not p…

why are you so certain they would pay if they couldn't pirate

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

#373

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It's not that "nobody cares that it's wrong", it's that they reasonably disagree with that: not everybody thinks it's wrong! It seems the fact that copyright infringement is "wrong" is an axiom for you. Going from that position, I could see why the discussion seems poor: other people have different axioms! Of course, if people are arguing about something, treating it as an axiom is not productive. Also, there are peo…

In the event that I make statements that seem impolite, let me preface by saying that I appreciate the response, the thought that went into it, and the neutral tone you've taken in your response to my admittedly off-the-cuff remark. I am aware of, and understand the premise of the 'copyright is wrong' party, and I was perhaps remiss to have excluded it from my earlier response, but the point was more to give edw some…

Very well said. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to respond to all of your points, all of which are reasonable. (Also, I'm pathologically lazy.)

However, I would like to point you to a comment I made about the GPL[1]. Particularly, my argument is that the fact the GPL uses copyright is just an implementation detail--in a very real sense, it turns copyright on itself. The underlying premise is not that the creator should have absolute control over their work but rather that each consumer has certain rights which should not be taken away. If we think of proprietary software as x and public domain/BSD/MIT as 0 on a hypothetical "copyright control scale" then the GPL is akin to -x.

[1]: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4056864

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

#374

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An employer provides compensation for the work of the employee. If he didn't, and the employee wasn't working willingly, that would be slavery, which would definitely make the "employer" a parasite. As far as http://www.dontmakemesteal.com , what gives you the right to blackmail a business into doing things? If you don't like their prices, don't watch the movie right now. Wait and watch when it's on TV. If you don't…

You might have been taken more seriously if you didn't misuse the world "steal" but...

STEAL: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/steal

verb (used with object)

1. to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, especially secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch.

2. to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment.

3. to take, get, or win insidiously, surreptitiously, subtly, or by chance: He stole my girlfriend.

4. to move, bring, convey, or put secretly or quietly; smuggle (usually followed by away, from, in, into, etc.): They stole the bicycle into the bedroom to surprise the child.

5. Baseball . (of a base runner) to gain (a base) without the help of a walk or batted ball, as by running to it during the delivery of a pitch.

STEEL: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/steel

noun

1. any of various modified forms of iron, artificially produced, having a carbon content less than that of pig iron and more than that of wrought iron, and having qualities of hardness, elasticity, and strength varying according to composition and heat treatment: generally categorized as having a high, medium, or low-carbon content.

2. a thing or things made of this metal.

3. a flat strip of this metal used for stiffening, especially in corsets; stay.

4. a bar of this metal that has one end formed to hold a bit for driving through rock.

5. steels, stocks or bonds of companies producing this metal.

You're welcome and I accept your apology.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

#375
My only tip: for the rating of the movie, while giving a decimal grade is good and acceptable, using 10 stars is distracting and breaks with the overall good UX.

Would go better with just 5 stars, or just ditch them and think on something else.

For instance, if the grade you are showing is a derivative of multiple sources, why not try to derive something on the line of: "5 of 10 reviewers found this movie good".

By the way, always cite your information sources, where does the rating come from? Users? Review sites?

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

#376
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I don't know which I feel saddest about: 1. Whether or not this is actually illegal, it is clearly unethical and not in the spirit of good clean business and technology practices we should all be aspire to. 2. That it quickly made it to #1 on Hacker News. 3. That I seem to be one of the few who cares while most others nit on details.

I'll bite. Why do you think this "clearly unethical"? I don't think it's clear at all. Everyone I know pirates movies, TV shows, and music. Everyone I know also jaywalks. I also know people who use drugs illegally, as well as participate in or facilitate underage drinking, and I don't have a problem with any of it. Are these unethical? Someone clearly thought so. Do I care? You know what the truth is, for me, and eve…

Pirating movies is stealing. There is no other way of putting it. I'll let you decide whether you find stealing ethical or not. It might depend on your social circle.

If you were a member of a gang, you'll find it socially acceptable among your social circles to kill people and sell drugs probably.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

#378

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I'll bite. Why do you think this "clearly unethical"? I don't think it's clear at all. Everyone I know pirates movies, TV shows, and music. Everyone I know also jaywalks. I also know people who use drugs illegally, as well as participate in or facilitate underage drinking, and I don't have a problem with any of it. Are these unethical? Someone clearly thought so. Do I care? You know what the truth is, for me, and eve…

Disclaimer: I work at a legal online video streaming site. Jaywalking, doing drugs, and underage drinking are fundamentally acts against rules, not acts against entities. A risk is being taken and the burden of failure is on the risk-taker. Selling alcohol to minors is unethical. Do I need to get into that? Acquiring media in an unauthorized fashion is an act against the creator and their licensed distributor. That m…

Nit picking: Jaywalking can put other people at risk if there's any amount of traffic. On a completely empty stretch of road it's not unethical, but the line between safe and unsafe jaywalking is extremely blurred.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

#379

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Middlemen that footed the bill for the actual production of the movie and its advertisement? Wouldn't that be akin to cutting a VC out of their percent of the earnings?

You must have skipped the "actively campaigning against my interests" bit. Why should I care about the rights of someone who tries to make sure I shouldn't have any? At that point, my view on their rights is something along the lines of "Fuck 'em".

Because they are rights, and shouldn't be violated? That's why they're called rights. Now, you can work on changing them if you like

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

#380

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Since you asked, I shall explain. Here is my working definition of something that immoral: Violating the written or unwritten rules of the society one lives in, in a way that is directly harmful to another person or group of people, though ones actions. So taking drugs is fine, since you are not harming another person. Downloading a film is also fine for the same reason. With selling drugs and jaywalking it depends.…

A torrent site is not morally or legally equivalent to "distributing that movie", however. It may seem like a nit-picking distinction or technicality, but the law is made up of such technicalities. With magnet links, the indirection is even greater.

I believe we're talking ethically, not legally. I don't believe there are technicalities in ethics like there are in law.
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