How many photons are received per bit transmitted from Voyager 1?
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How many photons are received per bit transmitted from Voyager 1?
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#5And can we beat the Shannon limit somehow, eg collect for longer, put the dish outside the atmosphere, and so on?
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#6I love these kinds of questions. So what does that conclusion mean about when the probe will be so far away that we are below the Shannon limit? And can we beat the Shannon limit somehow, eg collect for longer, put the dish outside the atmosphere, and so on?
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#7I love these kinds of questions. So what does that conclusion mean about when the probe will be so far away that we are below the Shannon limit? And can we beat the Shannon limit somehow, eg collect for longer, put the dish outside the atmosphere, and so on?
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#8I love these kinds of questions. So what does that conclusion mean about when the probe will be so far away that we are below the Shannon limit? And can we beat the Shannon limit somehow, eg collect for longer, put the dish outside the atmosphere, and so on?
1. Increase the effective receiving dish size, to capture more of the signal. Essentially, this would be effective in direct proportion to beam spread (the more beam spread, the bigger dish you can use to capture signal).
In practice, this would use multiple geographically-displaced dishes to construct a virtually-larger dish, to allow for better noise-cancellation magic (and at lower cost than one huge dish). I believe the deep space network (DSN) already does this? Edit: It certainly has arrayed antennae [0], though not sure how many are Voyager-tasked.
2. Increase the resilience of the signal, via encoding. The math is talking about bits and photons, but not encoded information. By trading lower bit-efficiency for increased error tolerance (i.e. including redundant information) we can extract a coherent signal even accounting for losses.
Someone please point out if I'm wrong, but afaik the Shannon–Hartley limit speaks to "lower" in the physical stack than error coding. I.e. one can layer arbitrary error coding on top of it to push limits (at the expense of rate)?
If the above understanding is correct, is there a way to calculate maximum signal distance assuming a theoretically maximally efficient error coding (is that a thing?) ? Or is that distance effectively infinite, assuming you're willing to accept an increasingly slow bit receiving rate?
[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Deep_Space_Network#Ante...
Re: How many photons are received per bit transmitted from Voyager 1?
#9I love these kinds of questions. So what does that conclusion mean about when the probe will be so far away that we are below the Shannon limit? And can we beat the Shannon limit somehow, eg collect for longer, put the dish outside the atmosphere, and so on?
Re: How many photons are received per bit transmitted from Voyager 1?
#10I love these kinds of questions. So what does that conclusion mean about when the probe will be so far away that we are below the Shannon limit? And can we beat the Shannon limit somehow, eg collect for longer, put the dish outside the atmosphere, and so on?
In fact, I assume that at this distance, even a very narrow signal would spread wide enough to illuminate more than just the Earth diameter.