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Re: Twitch removes every member of its Safety Advisory Council

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Post by nubinetwork »

vsnf wrote: post #20
nubinetwork wrote: post #8

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Twitch seems quite content with being a front for onlyfans. They recently started blurring stream thumbnails, and have never cared about linktree/etc links despite them being used as a "hide it under the carpet" for onlyfans as well. (Direct links bad, a link to a link is okay though?) They may as well stop pretending and fully allow adult content, because it's pretty obvious that these streamers will keep pushing th…

Honestly, why not. That would allow them to get more aggressive with enforcement for untagged streams, allow them to keep the obviously impression generating engine of the "Just Chatting" OnlyFans crowd, and maybe even with the weight of Amazon behind them, force the credit processors to lighten up a bit. Or it would be nice if they could, anyway. In reality with the age verification laws popping up in more places, t…

> In reality with the age verification laws popping up in more places, they probably want to stay far away from the impending bureaucratic and legal nightmare.

One could argue they are already there, putting an unblur button on streams is basically the same as an "I'm over 18" button on adult sites. No verification, no auditing, the button does nothing but make it look like they care.

Re: Twitch removes every member of its Safety Advisory Council

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Post by newswasboring »

zer00eyz wrote: post #56
newswasboring wrote: post #36

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I have no idea where all this is coming from, the original post talked about literal nazis. Allowing for exaggeration I can extend that to overt racists and those kind of bad people. Don't move the goal post now by muddying that with more nuanced topics (although, this one shouldn't be, it's clearly a colonizer situation, but again allowing for exaggeration and examples). You have to draw the line somewhere.

1984 is an entire book talking about how terrible fascism was. One of 1984's core tenants is that control of speech, erasure of history, revision of the present, removal of WORDS to mold what people think. It's a fundamental treatise about why fascism controlled people, the narrative, and how it changes everything. (It talks about bureaucracy as well but that's another topic). Using 1984 to defend fascism, against th…

Bro nobody is talking about 1984 type system but you. People having standards about who they talk to is not fascism. Companies not doing business with bad actors is also not fascism. I would gladly defend the right of someone to do a Nazi parody but only if there's little risk of them turning out to be actual nazis.

Re: Twitch removes every member of its Safety Advisory Council

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Post by probably_wrong »

mrweasel wrote: post #51
artninja1988 wrote: post #4

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It seems like you haven't been on twitch for a while. The IRL section seems like a funnel for only fans for the model part

Not that I use Twitch much anymore, nor am I really bothered by see a random boob or dick every once in a while. What does annoy me is that the OnlyFans "models" see every other platform as means to push their OnlyFans subscriptions. How the hell are the so much money flying around that it can finance that many OnlyFans creators? We can't funding for ad free search, video stream or software development, but we have m…

> How the hell are the so much money flying around that it can finance that many OnlyFans creators?

I'm willing to bet that 60% of OF creators, after accounting for the required equipment, are not making money. I'd also bet that at least 20% of those making money are from a country where $150 a month is a whole salary.

And then there's the question of how many of them are being trafficked.

Re: Twitch removes every member of its Safety Advisory Council

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Post by littlestymaar »

kevinventullo wrote: post #23
zer00eyz wrote: post #13

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I think the point of deplatforming is not to change their mind, but to prevent their voice from influencing others.

Yeah, and surprisingly we're seeing many people defending Nazis' free speech but never Isis' or Al Qaeda's one…

As if they only realized it would in fact be detrimental to society because they belong to the target group of these terrorists, when they don't feel threatened by Nazis because they don't belong to a targeted minority.

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Post by rainonmoon »

raizer88 wrote: post #55
artninja1988 wrote: post #4

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It seems like you haven't been on twitch for a while. The IRL section seems like a funnel for only fans for the model part

I never understood why Twitch doesn't add a morality clause to prevent streamer to be adult content creator. It would instantly solve the problem.

What problem is that? Why should other people's jobs forbid them from using a platform as long as they follow that platform's T&C's?

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Post by SXX »

raizer88 wrote: post #55
artninja1988 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like you haven't been on twitch for a while. The IRL section seems like a funnel for only fans for the model part

I never understood why Twitch doesn't add a morality clause to prevent streamer to be adult content creator. It would instantly solve the problem.

Might be also morality clause for those playing CS for terrorists too. /s

Re: Twitch removes every member of its Safety Advisory Council

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Post by zer00eyz »

viraptor wrote: post #42
zer00eyz wrote: post #13

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You're lucky - we have just the right study that already happened on another service! https://arxiv.org/html/2401.11254v1 Turns out that deplatforming works and has overall positive results. "The Great Ban: Efficacy and Unintended Consequences of a Massive Deplatforming Operation on Reddit" - worth a read and answers your questions. Apart from the one about whether they change.. we'll likely never really know, but at…

>> Turns out that deplatforming works and has overall positive results.

Did you read this?

"Horta Ribeiro et al. (2021) assessed the impact of deplatforming across multiple platforms, concentrating on the migration of users from banned subreddits to newly established platforms. Their findings indicated a significant decline in user activity on the new platforms. However, they also found a subset of users who increased their toxicity and radicalization."

They specifically call out that departed users in past studies end up MORE Radicalized. So the people who leave get worse in some cases.

This study looks at those that remain on redit and found that:

"Our results reveal that 15.6% of the affected users abandoned Reddit after the ban and that those who remained reduced their toxicity by 6.6% on average. Despite this modest toxicity reduction, 5% of users increased their toxicity by more than 70% of their pre-ban level. The presence of such resentful users was widespread across the analyzed subreddits. However, these users likely had little impact on the platform given that only 16% of users increased both toxicity and activity. Likewise, only 21% users increased toxicity and also obtained positive engagement from the community."

Your calling that effective? It's hardly a dent in reddit, and further more the people who left likely went off and got worse.

I referenced 1984 for a reason:

"Other promising avenues of future research are the development of predictive models for the outcome of moderation interventions. These would allow to estimate the likely effects of an intervention in advance of its application, enhancing the possibility to plan the strategic enforcement of moderation actions."

This should never be a thing in our word. EVER. the fundamental assumption that it will only be used by the right people is the very thing Orwell was raging against in 1984...

Re: Twitch removes every member of its Safety Advisory Council

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Post by SXX »

mrweasel wrote: post #51
artninja1988 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like you haven't been on twitch for a while. The IRL section seems like a funnel for only fans for the model part

Not that I use Twitch much anymore, nor am I really bothered by see a random boob or dick every once in a while. What does annoy me is that the OnlyFans "models" see every other platform as means to push their OnlyFans subscriptions. How the hell are the so much money flying around that it can finance that many OnlyFans creators? We can't funding for ad free search, video stream or software development, but we have m…

The Internet Is for Porn.

People are hypocritical. There are a lot of religion fanatics, prude morality fighters and others activists fighting against "sins". But in the end of day they all come home and watch porn. And many pay for it directly or indirectly.

And markets with most prude societies are usually ones with highest porn consumption. Humanity.

Re: Twitch removes every member of its Safety Advisory Council

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Post by raizer88 »

rainonmoon wrote: post #65
raizer88 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood why Twitch doesn't add a morality clause to prevent streamer to be adult content creator. It would instantly solve the problem.

What problem is that? Why should other people's jobs forbid them from using a platform as long as they follow that platform's T&C's?

Because 99.9% of twitch problems, and bad press, from the last few years are focused on people using Twitch as an onlyfan funnel. I would cut them out asap.

Re: Twitch removes every member of its Safety Advisory Council

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Post by suddenclarity »

threeseed wrote: post #29
bun_terminator wrote: post #16

Good. They're leeches. It's time for an anti-leech era

Safe platforms strongly correlate with successful platforms. So it's actually the opposite of leeching.

What is safe and in what way does the Safety Advisory Council improve it? The group that created a very toxic environment around Twitch when it included a political activist identifying as a deer (!) that threatened to silence everyone.
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