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Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by res0nat0r »

yason wrote: post #229
edw519 wrote: post #79

I don't know which I feel saddest about: 1. Whether or not this is actually illegal, it is clearly unethical and not in the spirit of good clean business and technology practices we should all be aspire to. 2. That it quickly made it to #1 on Hacker News. 3. That I seem to be one of the few who cares while most others nit on details.

Conversely, I would say that (within current laws) it is clearly illegal but it remains unclear as to why would it be unethical. I kind of correlate bits with thoughts. Contrary to what some shady associations try to claim, you can't possibly cause conclusive harm to anyone by merely copying bits any more than by thinking about illegal things. Digital copies also obey the same law that thoughts do: you either keep th…

If we are now trying to equate downloading a movie or tv show with some type of thought crime I think we've clearly run out of ways to try and justify our behavior.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by tomp »

Tycho wrote: post #210
laughinghan wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll bite. Why do you think this "clearly unethical"? I don't think it's clear at all. Everyone I know pirates movies, TV shows, and music. Everyone I know also jaywalks. I also know people who use drugs illegally, as well as participate in or facilitate underage drinking, and I don't have a problem with any of it. Are these unethical? Someone clearly thought so. Do I care? You know what the truth is, for me, and eve…

It's parasitical. And dishonours the intentions of the content creators.

Most content creators that I know would be very glad if the whole world woudl listen to their music! More likely, I'm dishonouring the intentions of the content distributors. And I really don't give a fuck about them, they certainly don't honor anybody/anything other than cash!

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by res0nat0r »

jellicle wrote: post #199
laughinghan wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll bite. Why do you think this "clearly unethical"? I don't think it's clear at all. Everyone I know pirates movies, TV shows, and music. Everyone I know also jaywalks. I also know people who use drugs illegally, as well as participate in or facilitate underage drinking, and I don't have a problem with any of it. Are these unethical? Someone clearly thought so. Do I care? You know what the truth is, for me, and eve…

I would say it's clearly ethical, even required, to share knowledge and information with other people. That's pretty much the highest impulse a human has, right up there with "protect your offspring". As Rick Falkvinge is so eloquent in saying, this is our culture, and permitting monopolies on it is just disastrously bad policy. Copyright is a subsidy to distributors, not artists. And the distributors know it. There'…

It isn't a 'human right' to be able to watch Game of Thrones or Batman Begins without paying for it I don't believe. It is ignorant to try and claim otherwise.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by leot »

jellicle wrote: post #199
laughinghan wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll bite. Why do you think this "clearly unethical"? I don't think it's clear at all. Everyone I know pirates movies, TV shows, and music. Everyone I know also jaywalks. I also know people who use drugs illegally, as well as participate in or facilitate underage drinking, and I don't have a problem with any of it. Are these unethical? Someone clearly thought so. Do I care? You know what the truth is, for me, and eve…

I would say it's clearly ethical, even required, to share knowledge and information with other people. That's pretty much the highest impulse a human has, right up there with "protect your offspring". As Rick Falkvinge is so eloquent in saying, this is our culture, and permitting monopolies on it is just disastrously bad policy. Copyright is a subsidy to distributors, not artists. And the distributors know it. There'…

It's interesting that, today, it seems most ignored creative people would be content with merely getting and, for a spell, keeping some small part of the world's attention. To be richly compensated is really just a bonus.

That said, I suppose one nice thing about getting money is that it will stick around even after the spotlight goes elsewhere.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by cncool »

watsix wrote: post #213
laughinghan wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll bite. Why do you think this "clearly unethical"? I don't think it's clear at all. Everyone I know pirates movies, TV shows, and music. Everyone I know also jaywalks. I also know people who use drugs illegally, as well as participate in or facilitate underage drinking, and I don't have a problem with any of it. Are these unethical? Someone clearly thought so. Do I care? You know what the truth is, for me, and eve…

Using drugs, "facilitating underage drinking" and even jaywalking are quite a bit different than stealing. You say you "don't steal (physical things)" as if that makes it ok, but you are stealing. It's a different form of stealing, but you do steal, you lack empathy for the act, and you are usually hurting the creators of that material in one way or another. Even today, there are societies where it is "socially accep…

It's clearly not stealing.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by cncool »

eta_carinae wrote: post #170
MatthewPhillips wrote: post #128

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If Hollywood made this exact same product but with pay buttons, why would I as a user choose it over movies.io.

> If Hollywood made this exact same product but with pay buttons, why would I as a user choose it over movies.io. Same reason you buy stuff instead of stealing them?

But downloading is not stealing.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by tomp »

nddrylliog wrote: post #208
runn1ng wrote: post #200

I don't like it that much. Yes, it's deadly simple, but what I actually like on sites like PirateBay or demonoid is the discussion below the torrent. Yes, it is sometimes idiotic and distracting, but if it's bad quality/a different movie/contains a virus, someone will mention that. With your website, I have no clue at all what I am downloading. What is the format? How is the quality? Is it nuked? Is it DVDrip/camrip/…

Power users are not well served with this version of movies.io Results are usually "pretty good", but that's nowhere satisfying for a connoisseur such as yourself. We're working on that though, but we'd much rather have people talking about the movie than about the torrent. A movie is art, it's emotions, stories, parts of our childhood. Much more interesting than a bitrate, a codec, a PSNR level.

Also, I'd really like to see the full filename of the movies I download. They include a lot of useful information, such as resolution (720, 1080, ...), filetype (mp4, mkv, ...), source (DVD, DVDrip, TC, SCR, ...), and release (eztv, ettv, ...). That is crucial especially for movie torrents.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by nddrylliog »

bradwestness wrote: post #142
MatthewPhillips wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Hollywood made this exact same product but with pay buttons, why would I as a user choose it over movies.io.

Because this site (movies.io) will inevitably get shut down within the week.

I don't think it will. We'll try to maintain it up by any means possible as long as there's a satisfying worldwide alternative to buy/license this content.

In a way, it's a political stand. We're already in contact who could help us make an alternative that would be both legal and ethical.

EDIT: this is the manifesto I was looking for: http://www.dontmakemesteal.com/

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by zanny »

nddrylliog wrote: post #96
tensafefrogs wrote: post #87

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According to the Netflix terms for their affiliate program[1], they won't let you participate in their program if your site includes "illegal activities." Seems understandable, but maybe if they allowed torrent sites to direct users to them they could help prevent some piracy AND everyone would make some money. [1] https://signup.netflix.com/Affiliates

Yup, that seems to be a stupid policy. Anyway, linking to Netflix/others is nice in theory but clutters the interface. Until we find a good solution for that, we won't do it.

It is a defensive posture against the mafia. Netflix is already bent over backwards as movie distributors try to run it into the ground with overt contracts, so they force them to use policies like these because they have the backwards idea that sharing will go away when they put their fingers in their ears and go lalalalala you don't exist.
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