Whenever I read a climate doomer article, I watch a couple of Al Gore videos from the 80s and then have a drink.
The Collapse Is Coming. Will Humanity Adapt?
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#62I've made peace with the fact that a portion of humanity is always convinced the world will end soon. I guess it serves some evolutionary purpose, since it's so deeply ingrained. We've done quite well with these people among us so far, despite them always, since the dawn of humanity, being wrong.
Pretty much no one is arguing the world is going to end soon. Putting your own interpretation onto arguments. Mostly people are arguing the world is heading into huge sociological, logistical, political,scientific, immigration challenges and god knows what else kinds of problems through climate change. Sticking your head in the ground and going la la la not happening, it’ll be ok, pretending people are suggesting the…
We have come up with solutions though. The solution is see what happens and deal with it as it comes, while using what time we have left to try and climb further up the tech tree so that we have more technological ability to deal with it as it comes. It's a far better solution than the tyranny of the mediocrity of government bureaucracy people are pushing as the alternate.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty much no one is arguing the world is going to end soon. Putting your own interpretation onto arguments. Mostly people are arguing the world is heading into huge sociological, logistical, political,scientific, immigration challenges and god knows what else kinds of problems through climate change. Sticking your head in the ground and going la la la not happening, it’ll be ok, pretending people are suggesting the…
We have come up with solutions though. The solution is see what happens and deal with it as it comes, while using what time we have left to try and climb further up the tech tree so that we have more technological ability to deal with it as it comes. It's a far better solution than the tyranny of the mediocrity of government bureaucracy people are pushing as the alternate.
You can’t call this a solution until it worked. That’s the whole challenge, behaving like this is a huge gamble at best or simply pure egoism.
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#64I've made peace with the fact that a portion of humanity is always convinced the world will end soon. I guess it serves some evolutionary purpose, since it's so deeply ingrained. We've done quite well with these people among us so far, despite them always, since the dawn of humanity, being wrong.
The argument “because doomsayers were wrong a lot in the past anyone predicting a society collapse is wrong” is a really weak argument.
Sounds about as logical as a guy falling from the 30th floor, repeating at each floor “so far, so good”.
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#65I've made peace with the fact that a portion of humanity is always convinced the world will end soon. I guess it serves some evolutionary purpose, since it's so deeply ingrained. We've done quite well with these people among us so far, despite them always, since the dawn of humanity, being wrong.
Pretty much no one is arguing the world is going to end soon. Putting your own interpretation onto arguments. Mostly people are arguing the world is heading into huge sociological, logistical, political,scientific, immigration challenges and god knows what else kinds of problems through climate change. Sticking your head in the ground and going la la la not happening, it’ll be ok, pretending people are suggesting the…
Pretty much all religions have some belief that the material world will come to an end. The Wikipedia article has details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschatology
I think religions are worldviews that appeal to universal human needs. If they all converge on some variation of Doomsday, that says something about human nature.
We atheists have to fill this need in other ways. When I was young it was nuclear war, after the Cold War it's been mostly environmental disaster. Now AI is coming up as a new candidate.
You're right that no one serious implies the literal death of every single human. A big enough disaster fills the need well enough.
This is of course just my personal speculation. I can't prove it, and have been wrong many times before.
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#66To anyone feeling anxious about the future after reading this article: We have the technology to pause the worst effects of climate change indefinitely for a few billion dollars a year: https://news.uchicago.edu/radical-solution-address-climate-c... It’s far from a complete solution, but it works well enough that the future described in the article is much more a dark fantasy than a likely reality.
Keep in mind that 70% of the pollution comes from 100 companies. We discuss spending more money and taking extreme measures (shall we darken the clouds? bullshit) instead of taxing these fuckers out of existence and calling it a century.
It's not like they operate in a vacuum, generating profit by polluting in ways that others would not.
I sure don't attribute my tailpipe emissions to the oil company that supplied the oil that was refined into the gasoline that I consume.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
We have come up with solutions though. The solution is see what happens and deal with it as it comes, while using what time we have left to try and climb further up the tech tree so that we have more technological ability to deal with it as it comes. It's a far better solution than the tyranny of the mediocrity of government bureaucracy people are pushing as the alternate.
You can’t call this a solution until it worked. That’s the whole challenge, behaving like this is a huge gamble at best or simply pure egoism.
Human history is literally a record of this working.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can’t call this a solution until it worked. That’s the whole challenge, behaving like this is a huge gamble at best or simply pure egoism.
Human history is literally a record of this working.
It’s the same logic as saying, “I played russian roulette 5 times, I will win the 6th time as well”.
Without an understanding of why it worked in the past, there is statistically no reason to believe it will work again.
Also, you can read human history as a record of societal collapse. Sure they recovered, it took sometimes hundreds of years for the history we know of. Since we talking climate and it may take hundreds if not thousands of years to stabilise again, one could argue, this is the scale of collapse we’re looking at. Humans could very well survive, but I wouldn’t call returning to the stone age something we should strive for…
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#69As long as there's a buck to be made.