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Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by lightyrs »

edw519 wrote: post #79

I don't know which I feel saddest about: 1. Whether or not this is actually illegal, it is clearly unethical and not in the spirit of good clean business and technology practices we should all be aspire to. 2. That it quickly made it to #1 on Hacker News. 3. That I seem to be one of the few who cares while most others nit on details.

It tickles me to see a post on Hacker News decrying the ethical issues of creating a UI for a torrent tracker. If this attitude had prevailed 50 years ago, we wouldn't have Apple. This is Hacker News.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by laughinghan »

quinndupont wrote: post #94
edw519 wrote: post #79

I don't know which I feel saddest about: 1. Whether or not this is actually illegal, it is clearly unethical and not in the spirit of good clean business and technology practices we should all be aspire to. 2. That it quickly made it to #1 on Hacker News. 3. That I seem to be one of the few who cares while most others nit on details.

Who let the MPAA in here? Seriously, unless you are a massive copyright holder, attempting to exploit every red penny out of your brainwashed masses, I don't see how any user would have a problem with this. Maybe the movie industry should try to out-innovate?

1. If you click his name, you will see edw519 is a long-time respected member of the HN community, who generally posts insightful comments, submits excellent articles, and writes riveting blog posts. This is no throwaway shill for the MPAA.

2. Do you believe no one in the world besides "massive copyright holders, attempting to exploit every red penny out of your brainwashed masses" dislikes piracy? That's a very simplistic and naive view. I hope you find these discussions illuminating.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by nddrylliog »

staunch wrote: post #188
nddrylliog wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that's why it's not a business. Just a temporary solution for movie lovers until content owners get their stuff straight. In the meantime, it's still a great product building experience for us, even if we make $0 out of it.

The problem is that you might not get to walk away scot-free from this even when you want to. One thing I can gaurantee will help you: make no attempt whatsoever to profit from this. Don't put up any ads. Don't have any affiliate links. Profiting from a (potential) crime or infringement makes it 100x more dangerous.

Indeed, I guess I'll postpone that flight to NY.

No intentions to profit from this, except for the experience, the friends (and enemies) we make, and the excitement.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by PeterisP »

rmc wrote: post #158
canadaduane wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your analogy is paired because both piracy and meth are illegal in the USA. However, the pairing lacks equivalence in my view because crystal meth is clearly (and by nature, not by law) harmful to the user, while piracy is not. A better analogy might be a website that helps others circumvent the Great Firewall of China. It is illegal in one particular country, but circumvention does not harm individuals (only the soc…

Your censorship analogy is flawed, since copyright infringement is not legal in any country (im not sure, but Ethiopia might have started recognising foreign copyrights now)

Downloading movies from torrents is legal in Canada (covered by a copyright levy on data storage media), for example.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by rmc »

jrockway wrote: post #178
rmc wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because its possible to get a thing for free doesn't mean no-one will pay for it. Just look at bottled water.

Where do you get bottles for free?

People don't buy bottled water for the bottles, otherwise they'd throw away the water, and keep the bottles. Instead they keep/use the water and throw away the bottles. The water is what they pay money for, you can get that for free at home.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by proksoup »

guynamedloren wrote: post #127

YES! Thank you! I have been thinking about building this forever, but have never actually implemented it due to the fuzzy legal issues (read: it's totally illegal) and imminent shut down. Love the interface. Love the simplicity. Love the graphics. Love the lack of [unnecessary] technical details and inclusion of details about the actual movie (rating, genre, summary, cover photo, etc). Only thing I can think of to im…

Better trailers yes. Like maybe youtube search for movie_title + ' trailer' and embed the top result...

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by jellicle »

laughinghan wrote: post #186
edw519 wrote: post #79

I don't know which I feel saddest about: 1. Whether or not this is actually illegal, it is clearly unethical and not in the spirit of good clean business and technology practices we should all be aspire to. 2. That it quickly made it to #1 on Hacker News. 3. That I seem to be one of the few who cares while most others nit on details.

I'll bite. Why do you think this "clearly unethical"? I don't think it's clear at all. Everyone I know pirates movies, TV shows, and music. Everyone I know also jaywalks. I also know people who use drugs illegally, as well as participate in or facilitate underage drinking, and I don't have a problem with any of it. Are these unethical? Someone clearly thought so. Do I care? You know what the truth is, for me, and eve…

I would say it's clearly ethical, even required, to share knowledge and information with other people. That's pretty much the highest impulse a human has, right up there with "protect your offspring".

As Rick Falkvinge is so eloquent in saying, this is our culture, and permitting monopolies on it is just disastrously bad policy.

Copyright is a subsidy to distributors, not artists. And the distributors know it. There's no need to protect the business model of content distributors in a world that has the Internet.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by runn1ng »

I don't like it that much.

Yes, it's deadly simple, but what I actually like on sites like PirateBay or demonoid is the discussion below the torrent. Yes, it is sometimes idiotic and distracting, but if it's bad quality/a different movie/contains a virus, someone will mention that.

With your website, I have no clue at all what I am downloading. What is the format? How is the quality? Is it nuked? Is it DVDrip/camrip/webrip/...?

I don't know any of that from your site. I see just a link and filesize. Who knows what the file actually is. I personally find the quality more important than the number of seeders/leechers.

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