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Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Napster was such an improvement over what it replaced, but, it’s funny by today’s standards Napster was so “basic”. I remember waiting 3+ hours for a single song to download. Then discovering it wasn’t what I wanted but a troll who renamed the `Barney The Dinosaur I love you` song. Then I’d spend another 3+ hours downloading a different song. Ah 56k internet, what fun. Today, TPB and a quick search can give you an ar…

I remember burning CD's full of 1 minute songs that never completed because someone was always calling our house line, disrupting the internet connection (and there were no resumable downloads). Good times ;)

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Yet we still don't have a safe & resilient alternative for using Kademlia tables. Shame on us.

What's wrong with current generation DHT? They work. They are secure (depending on how you define that). They are reliable. Why would we want to replace them?

Anyone with mediocre skills can take it down; ( And more ) that's the problem. I'd rather not mention the specifics because that might give people ideas but they can be found in academic papers.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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post #15

Napster was such an improvement over what it replaced, but, it’s funny by today’s standards Napster was so “basic”. I remember waiting 3+ hours for a single song to download. Then discovering it wasn’t what I wanted but a troll who renamed the `Barney The Dinosaur I love you` song. Then I’d spend another 3+ hours downloading a different song. Ah 56k internet, what fun. Today, TPB and a quick search can give you an ar…

I also remember having cable modems and parties with Napster station where people would find download and then play the song of choice. No sign-ups no artificial borders just music. This is still not possible...

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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post #15

Napster was such an improvement over what it replaced, but, it’s funny by today’s standards Napster was so “basic”. I remember waiting 3+ hours for a single song to download. Then discovering it wasn’t what I wanted but a troll who renamed the `Barney The Dinosaur I love you` song. Then I’d spend another 3+ hours downloading a different song. Ah 56k internet, what fun. Today, TPB and a quick search can give you an ar…

> What I find most strange about the modern day piracy is quality. For a lot of pirates, it's a niche hobby to preserve the best quality version of some media / art. I see it as an underground librarian archivist movement. In 100 years iTunes may be dead, but there will be some person with every album available in high quality lossless FLAC. Same with Netflix and it's bit starved encodes.

Still frustrated that 1080p bluray looks and sounds significantly better than 4k Netflix. Will a lot of quality stuff be lost forever when these companies disappear?

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Spotify might not care as much about the music and the artists as pirates, but they sure pay the artists more.

Barely. Some artists outright tell you to pirate their music since most of their money comes from touring/merch.

I discover stuff on Spotify more than i would ever from pirating and only then i can go watch their live stuff and buy their merch. If I want a Flac i go to Bandcamp though

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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post #184
post #29

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> What I find most strange about the modern day piracy is quality. For a lot of pirates, it's a niche hobby to preserve the best quality version of some media / art. I see it as an underground librarian archivist movement. In 100 years iTunes may be dead, but there will be some person with every album available in high quality lossless FLAC. Same with Netflix and it's bit starved encodes.

Still frustrated that 1080p bluray looks and sounds significantly better than 4k Netflix. Will a lot of quality stuff be lost forever when these companies disappear?

Yes but I also don't think enjoyment is gated behind some arbitrary maximum quality.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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The Bible is not copyrighted. So you could still do that today. Also I‘m pretty sure the catholic church wanted no one to read the Luther Bible. Neither common people nor others ;)

The copyright to the King James Version is owned by the crown.

Apparently that’s true (in the UK).

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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You could copy a book, and sell it. This was a big part of the Protestant revolution; the Catholic church didn't want the common people reading the Bible, but back then they had no legal way to control how people used the printing press.

The Bible is not copyrighted. So you could still do that today. Also I‘m pretty sure the catholic church wanted no one to read the Luther Bible. Neither common people nor others ;)

Specific translations, such as the NIV, are copyrighted.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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3+hours? I remember being able to download roughly 10 songs in an hour.

We had rural phone lines with lots of noise. I think I got 3kB a sec max on those things even with 56k.

Most MP3s were 128 kbps back then, so a song would typically be around 3-4 MB. Even at 3 kB per second a download would only take around 20 minutes.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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> GenAI can be great for pop art, but try to create something unique to you or another person, and it will fail miserably. GenAI is just a tool. Creating unique art with unique perspectives is going to be more accessible to more people. Not everyone will put the work in, but there's a new opportunity in a world full of opportunity cost.

I'd make the argument that the nature of tools drives much of mass/low-cost art (that is, the majority). Very few people have the training and complete skill set to fully customize everything. Consequently, the further you get away from "doing the thing" (e.g. playing an instrument) to "operating the tool that does the thing" (e.g. writing music for a player piano), the stronger impression the tool leaves on your wor…

The electronic music point is good, but I wouldn't label electronic music as inferior or not art.

It's about choosing which parts of your stack are artisanal vs which parts are implemented for you. These choices impact the form factor, but I wouldn't say that they diminish the work itself.

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