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Re: Loss of nearly a full decade of information from early days of Chinese internet

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Another false equivalence, not at all the same as in the West. This is government censorship scrubbing all search results from pre-2005. That Google update made it harder to search for groups that had put out misinformation and scammy SEO stuff, like googlebombing ("miserable failure" returns George W. Bush). Performing editorial or curatorial work is not in any way the same as a purge.

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Re: Loss of nearly a full decade of information from early days of Chinese internet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.google.com/search?q=jack+ma&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min... First result for me is https://www.scb.co.th/en/personal-banking/stories/business-m... which Google thinks is from 2003-03-15, except it mentions COVID-19 so it obviously isn't. Second result is https://www.instagram.com/jack_overpower/feed/ which Google thinks is from 2001-01-02, except Instagram didn't exist at that time. It might have pictures from 20…

>except it mentions COVID-19 so it obviously isn't. Perhaps it was just updated? I generally ignore/ get annoyed by articles that don't have a date/ updated on, on the byline.

Sometimes you can find the date embedded inside the source asset files.

Re: Loss of nearly a full decade of information from early days of Chinese internet

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There are a few commenters in this thread making blatant false equivalence with the Western internet. This post is about how on major search engines in China, you now set the years to 1998-2005 and search for a non-controversial celebrity and you get zero search results from content actually published in that era. The loss of the early web due to web hosters not maintaining their own hosting and moving to walled gard…

Yes, this is like if nothing turned up for Bill Gates when you did a search for pre-2006 material.

Re: Loss of nearly a full decade of information from early days of Chinese internet

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Another false equivalence, not at all the same as in the West. This is government censorship scrubbing all search results from pre-2005. That Google update made it harder to search for groups that had put out misinformation and scammy SEO stuff, like googlebombing ("miserable failure" returns George W. Bush). Performing editorial or curatorial work is not in any way the same as a purge.

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Re: Loss of nearly a full decade of information from early days of Chinese internet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another false equivalence, not at all the same as in the West. This is government censorship scrubbing all search results from pre-2005. That Google update made it harder to search for groups that had put out misinformation and scammy SEO stuff, like googlebombing ("miserable failure" returns George W. Bush). Performing editorial or curatorial work is not in any way the same as a purge.

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You think you are being a critical thinker, but you are just playing into anti-Western propaganda that makes it seem like there is no difference between the two. It should be pretty clear that China has the most sophisticated propaganda system in the world, and you have been ensnared by it.

Re: Loss of nearly a full decade of information from early days of Chinese internet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.google.com/search?q=jack+ma&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min... First result for me is https://www.scb.co.th/en/personal-banking/stories/business-m... which Google thinks is from 2003-03-15, except it mentions COVID-19 so it obviously isn't. Second result is https://www.instagram.com/jack_overpower/feed/ which Google thinks is from 2001-01-02, except Instagram didn't exist at that time. It might have pictures from 20…

Yep; there may be a lack of incentive to preserve old sites, but what's worse are the ranking algorithms that prevent their discoverability in the first place.

Not really prevented, the huge one is http sites being down ranked heavily by google.

But they are still there. Do a specific enough search and they'll be at the top of the search results.

Re: Loss of nearly a full decade of information from early days of Chinese internet

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Intentionally or not this is -- exactly -- what 1984 is all about: changing our perception of history by rewriting or erasing previous writings. Unfortunately alot of it from the article seems typical: blogs going off line as bloggers move to new technolgoies, social media companies going defunct or just not keeping old content. Alot of these things can happen in the west. Remember these books you could read? "The Fe…

Should the rewritten history still be preserved as history then?

Re: Loss of nearly a full decade of information from early days of Chinese internet

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Intentionally or not this is -- exactly -- what 1984 is all about: changing our perception of history by rewriting or erasing previous writings. Unfortunately alot of it from the article seems typical: blogs going off line as bloggers move to new technolgoies, social media companies going defunct or just not keeping old content. Alot of these things can happen in the west. Remember these books you could read? "The Fe…

> Posted on Wednesday, May 22, He’s post had been removed from WeChat by the following day, yielding a 404 message that read: “This content violates regulations and cannot be viewed.”

You don't get your comments censored by commenting about natural entropy on the internet. You do get your comments censored by drawing attention to the censors.

I get very tired of people drawing false equivalences between organic human behaviors in the West and intentional abuse by central authorities in China. We can and should do more to preserve our history in the West, but we are already preserving orders of magnitude more data per person than any of our ancestors could have dreamed of. There's no comparison between emails getting lost when someone dies and centralized censors actively purging old content to make it easier to change the party's narrative.

Re: Loss of nearly a full decade of information from early days of Chinese internet

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Intentionally or not this is -- exactly -- what 1984 is all about: changing our perception of history by rewriting or erasing previous writings. Unfortunately alot of it from the article seems typical: blogs going off line as bloggers move to new technolgoies, social media companies going defunct or just not keeping old content. Alot of these things can happen in the west. Remember these books you could read? "The Fe…

Recently: Google refuses to turn up old pages. I was recently searching for a person who used to have a notable web presence before passing away about a decade ago. I had to dig to find a few links, through DDG and Yandex.

Re: Loss of nearly a full decade of information from early days of Chinese internet

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There are a few commenters in this thread making blatant false equivalence with the Western internet. This post is about how on major search engines in China, you now set the years to 1998-2005 and search for a non-controversial celebrity and you get zero search results from content actually published in that era. The loss of the early web due to web hosters not maintaining their own hosting and moving to walled gard…

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