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Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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torrent is really a great technology. subversive and evergreen. genuinely useful and hard to kill.

Only if you use a private tracker. Public ones always have seeders whose job it is to collect IP addresses. You'll still get that letter in the mail about pirating

Isn't going after torrent makers more important than random downloaders? By that logic shouldn't big music / movie companies be targeting private trackers? (Surely they have enough materials to pass the interview!)

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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> What I find most strange about the modern day piracy is quality. For a lot of pirates, it's a niche hobby to preserve the best quality version of some media / art. I see it as an underground librarian archivist movement. In 100 years iTunes may be dead, but there will be some person with every album available in high quality lossless FLAC. Same with Netflix and it's bit starved encodes.

already, Disney has been censoring past episodes not even based on today's sensibilities but it seems purely based on keywords. there's an episode of the suite life of zach and cody where zach pretends to have dyslexia in order to get extra time in his exams, and near the end of the episode he gets busted and they have a thoughtful conversation about how it's unfair and hurts the people who need the extra time, and h…

My hope is human nature will prevail. SOME are that sensitive but I think there’s a growing amount of people maybe even a majority that don’t want censorship and nannie’s in media / comedy etc.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Ah good time. Bring back memory. My involvement with that period was I wrote a p2p file sharing app using the Gnutella protocol, an alternative to the Napster. It was a fun time.

That's what Limewire used right? Is that network still a thing? Last I checked it was, but full of bots that return fake files named after your exact search query.

Yes. Limewire came out a bit later. All the apps with the same protocol could talk to each other. Initially mine was open sourced as well. I close sourced it after selling it to a company.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Curious to hear more informed thoughts from old ISP folks, but afaik one of the things that made Napster possible was that 56kbps connections were roughly symmetrical (~33kbps up?). By capitalizing on the oft unused upload bandwidth, Napster provided a benefit at little cost. Would be fascinated to hear what this looked like on the PSTN backend load side, ~2000.

> 56kbps connections were roughly symmetrical I don't think so, asymmetry was the innovation that made 56K possible on POTS (plain old telephone sevice, with only enough bandwidth for squawky voice)

From a spec standpoint, acoustic modems were building over wires spec'd for bidirectional voice transmissions, i.e. symmetrical.

I'm curious about the nuances, but it seems like the last mile download/upload imbalance was created by the originating signal mode?

Download = First mile internet to ISP could be upgraded to digital, and thus grab some extra throughout by avoiding analog noise handling

Upload = First mile user to ISP was inherently analog over phone lines, and so sacrificed throughput for line noise tolerance

https://www.edn.com/an-introduction-to-the-v-90-56k-modem/

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Napster was a little before my time, though I fondly remember torrenting when I was a kid and oddly enough, it was a small time scam that got me into it. I remember when I was a kid (maybe 13 or 14) I really (and I mean really) wanted to play Grand Theft Auto. My dad picked up a copy of GTA San Andreas for me about a year prior but after seeing the violence and language he forced me to take it back, that put the tast…

Doesn't sound like a scam. You wanted to buy a fish and they gave you a fishing pole. And for just 30$? Some online training today costs many thousands of dollars. Indeed you must be young because you think online tutorials must be free and instructors charging for their work is a scam.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Napster was such an improvement over what it replaced, but, it’s funny by today’s standards Napster was so “basic”. I remember waiting 3+ hours for a single song to download. Then discovering it wasn’t what I wanted but a troll who renamed the `Barney The Dinosaur I love you` song. Then I’d spend another 3+ hours downloading a different song. Ah 56k internet, what fun. Today, TPB and a quick search can give you an ar…

> Ah 56k internet, what fun.

Unless you were young and on a college/university campus where your dorm room probably had Ethernet jacks.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Napster was such an improvement over what it replaced, but, it’s funny by today’s standards Napster was so “basic”. I remember waiting 3+ hours for a single song to download. Then discovering it wasn’t what I wanted but a troll who renamed the `Barney The Dinosaur I love you` song. Then I’d spend another 3+ hours downloading a different song. Ah 56k internet, what fun. Today, TPB and a quick search can give you an ar…

> And they’re so good at it, that the pirated product is usually substantially better than the official version How so, when most of these products are digital to begin with? If you have the quality of the studio master, then there’s nothing to improve.

Sometimes they further optimize it for a goal, or maximize it to have everything. Sometimes organize it, provide additional material that fans might appreciate, add commentary. Port it to a platform where previously it was inaccessible.

For examples, an artist's discography is sometimes neatly organized in folders, by year, and the files are tagged with metadata. In case of anime, fans improve or outright provide subtitles. They often do extra things like including karaoke for the opening and ending, color coding subtitle lines to match the speaker's personality or design, and provide stylized subtitles for signs and other letterings on the screen. In case of movies, they are often optimized to a specific kind of usage, for example to be able to be viewed on every phone, or to have a minimal file size. Sometimes, especially older releases, are digitally cleaned up and enhanced. Games install easily and is packaged in a way that it just works, without faffing about with the launchers and things like that.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Napster was such an improvement over what it replaced, but, it’s funny by today’s standards Napster was so “basic”. I remember waiting 3+ hours for a single song to download. Then discovering it wasn’t what I wanted but a troll who renamed the `Barney The Dinosaur I love you` song. Then I’d spend another 3+ hours downloading a different song. Ah 56k internet, what fun. Today, TPB and a quick search can give you an ar…

> What I find most strange about the modern day piracy is quality. For a lot of pirates, it's a niche hobby to preserve the best quality version of some media / art. I see it as an underground librarian archivist movement. In 100 years iTunes may be dead, but there will be some person with every album available in high quality lossless FLAC. Same with Netflix and it's bit starved encodes.

This is especially true with the current wave of upscaled 4k releases that are, frankly - awful. Eventually, these will be the only versions we have access to on streaming platforms, but someone will have the original Blu-ray remux or DVD rip on their Plex server.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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I rarely see it mentioned when discussing old file sharing programs, but I thought DC++ was the best. With the right hubs you could find anything you wanted, you could download parts of a file from multiple peers, you could browse a user's shared files to find new stuff, we had a server in our university network that RIAA/MPAA could find, there was a chat for each server, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC%2B%2B

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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> What I find most strange about the modern day piracy is quality. For a lot of pirates, it's a niche hobby to preserve the best quality version of some media / art. I see it as an underground librarian archivist movement. In 100 years iTunes may be dead, but there will be some person with every album available in high quality lossless FLAC. Same with Netflix and it's bit starved encodes.

> In 100 years iTunes may be dead, but there will be some person with every album available in high quality lossless FLAC. Same with Netflix and it's bit starved encodes. Yeah, nah. WhatCD’s full catalogue has never been recovered.

>> some person with every album available in high quality lossless FLAC

> nah. WhatCD’s full catalogue has never been recovered.

The loss of WhatCD's torrent database didn't wipe out anyone's library.

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