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25 Years of Krita

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Re: 25 Years of Krita

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Post by AlienRobot »

ykonstant wrote: post #74
AlienRobot wrote: post #61

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Krita > GIMP, absolutely, but unfortunately both of them are centuries behind any proprietary software despite only being decades old. And I'm not even talking about PAID proprietary software. Free apps are also better. A frequent issue with FOSS is that they can handle a variety of edge cases because some technical person needed it once and went through the trouble of implementing it, but they offer a subpar experie…

Which proprietary free app is better than Krita?

Depending on your use case, fire alpaca, azpainter, graphics gale.

The problem is that Krita/GIMP have many features that very few people use. Like you have digital artists who don't need CMYK, but the entire application needs to support it. Or you have people who want to write text on images. Or people that want to do photo manipulation. Or people who need to make assets for games. Or even doing something weird like saving a PNG without pre-multiplied alpha.

So whenever you compare it with something else, you're able to point out to all these features they accumulated through the years.

But if you started making an app today for a specific use case, in 1 month you would be able to add features that these applications have lacked for decades, and these will be just the first features you'll be able to think of.

So it's always this strange feeling where an application clearly has had a lot of work put into it and yet seems to lack something extremely basic you would expect to find in an application that has had a lot of work put into it.

Re: 25 Years of Krita

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Post by red_trumpet »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #71
rcxdude wrote: post #19

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Yeah, sadly tablet support is one of the areas where wayland has been particularly slow in terms of getting its act together (it's explicitly disabled in krita because of this, which I think is a combo of standards not existing, compositor support, and Qt support). It's definitely the main reason I'm still on Xorg.

Which is hilarious when you realize that wayland started as an automotive infotainment project.

> automotive infotainment project

I haven't heard that story before. Got any references?

Re: 25 Years of Krita

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Post by asddubs »

AlienRobot wrote: post #63
raverbashing wrote: post #40

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Honestly the major open source native Widgets frameworks suck (for C/C++) MFC is slightly better, and MFC sucks (at least on MSVC 6.0 era) WxWidgets was one of the best/easiest OSS ones. The best library hands down was the one used by Borland C++ Builder (Windows only), VCL. QT felt like going around in circles and a bit like those "useless superpower" charts, GTK like nobody had invented C++ yet.

I really think it's holding desktop Linux back. I was making windows apps when I was kid using Visual Studio. There is no way I'd be able to with any of Linux frameworks. The closest thing would probably be to use Java.

qtcreator actually supports a workflow quite similar to Visual Basic 6 in terms of making guis/adding functionality to buttons, etc

Re: 25 Years of Krita

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Post by asddubs »

jmix wrote: post #37

What a self-indulgent writeup. The article came nowhere near answering the central question: what are the devs doing other than constantly changing the name of the project and how is this thing better than gimp.

it's an anniversary celebration post, not a "what is krita" post. It's meant for people already following the project.

Krita is an application primarily aimed at digital artwork rather than editing images. So a strong emphasis on drawing and related tasks. For this, it is much easier to use than gimp. I won't necessarily say it's better, but every time I tried using gimp I gave up and I actually stuck with krita.

Re: 25 Years of Krita

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Post by random42_ »

GeneralMaximus wrote: post #51
virtualritz wrote: post #39

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> Krita is a great replacement for photoshop. No it is not. Krita was meant to be an OSS alternative to Corel (ex Fractal Design, ex Meta Creations) Painter [1]. And that's what it became, eventually. And quite a bit more. I've been using Photoshop and Krita since the first version of both of these DCC apps came out (and Painter too, btw). Professionally. I.e. for most of my adult life. Krita is a great paint app. It…

Would it be accurate to say that Krita is a Procreate alternative?

Conceptually yes (and Krita might be more feature rich than Procreate), but Procreate is an iPad only app and Krita is not available on that platform, unfortunately.

Re: 25 Years of Krita

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Post by raverbashing »

asddubs wrote: post #83
AlienRobot wrote: post #63

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I really think it's holding desktop Linux back. I was making windows apps when I was kid using Visual Studio. There is no way I'd be able to with any of Linux frameworks. The closest thing would probably be to use Java.

qtcreator actually supports a workflow quite similar to Visual Basic 6 in terms of making guis/adding functionality to buttons, etc

Theoretically. In practice it was much more clunkier.

Re: 25 Years of Krita

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Post by tapoxi »

dluga93 wrote: post #14
resource_waste wrote: post #7

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There seems to be a phenomena I observe in the FOSS community where we reflexively respond to suggestions despite them being far beneath their FOSS alternatives. Only after digging or running into issues, do you find the good stuff. Brand name -> Low quality, highly mentioned -> High quality, rarely mentioned Photoshop-> GIMP -> Krita Windows -> Debian-family/Ubuntu/Mint -> Fedora I almost feel like a religious Zealo…

I used fedora 24 for a few years in the mid-late 2010s. Now I've been using Ubuntu for the past 4 years and I don't see too much difference in my daily use. I mostly use it for development - backends and data/spark mostly, nothing lower level. What does fedora do better? Is it something that was introduced in later releases?

Ubuntu tends to push their proprietary snap format, even replacing some dpkgs with secret snap shims.

Fedora will usually push major Linux changes before other distros; systemd, wayland, cgroupsv2, btrfs, etc.

Re: 25 Years of Krita

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Post by Teslazar »

Every time I try Krita I bounce off of it because the controls are too different from Photoshop. For my relatively simple use cases, Krita could be a replacement for Photoshop, which I've been using on and off for roughly 30 years. The muscle memory runs deep. Just something simple like holding alt to toggle the magnifying glass between zoom-in/zoom-out doesn't work in Krita and the configuration doesn't allow for this.

Re: 25 Years of Krita

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Post by silisili »

binkHN wrote: post #34

I'm impressed by the quality of programs that are coming out of the KDE ecosystem. While KDE is known for its desktop environment, many of the applications that come out of this organization are simply awesome.

This has always been the case to be honest, and I say this as a gnome fan and user. Kate better than Gedit. Konqueror better than Epiphany. Dolphin better than Nautilus. Amarok better than Rhythmbox, and so on.

I wish I liked KDE proper better, because their apps are too notch.

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